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[AION]

@yetineti I know how she works 

[yetineti]

@AION

Why are you talking about her? This conversation had nothing to do with her.

Are you going to defend your points on women in general, or are we simply arguing about some feelings you have now? 

Edited 5 hours ago by yetineti

[yetineti]

@AION

FYI, I know how you work, and historically you're going to stop responding to me because you don't have an answer.

Edited 5 hours ago by yetineti

[AION]

50 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@AION

FYI, I know how you work, and historically you're going to stop responding to me because you don't have an answer.

Well you are wrong because I do answer you if you are not hostile and come with good questions. But if it is just nay saying, I don't want to be entangled in that because that takes too much energy. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

I think I’ve written this before, but my main issue with @AION is that one can preach about “Love, respect, modesty,” while criticizing women, yet when asked questions like “Can you envision yourself with a woman who is older, as you gradually become less conventionally attracted to your partner as you both naturally age, get sick, through thick and thin, etc?" you get absolute crickets.

Again, I don’t mind if you want to live the “Red Pill Leonardo DiCaprio lifestyle”; you’re free to do whatever you want. But you can’t claim that you understand, love, or respect femininity, or that you know anything about deep human relationships, if this is your entire perspective on it. You simply cannot complain about a system that you are actively reinforcing.

Leo sometimes falls into this category, too, to be honest. He occasionally says in his videos that he desires a deep relationship and talks about how to truly love another person. Yet if you even mention to him the concept of slowly becoming less attracted to your partner in a long-term companionship, you get more crickets.

It’s very clear where the main value lies: beauty and sex. Which, hey, is fine and understandable. But this is a complete mockery of what a genuine, deep connection is and can be.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Yet if you even mention to him the concept of slowly becoming less attracted to your partner in a long-term companionship, you get more crickets.

What do you want me to say about that?

Of course that is part of a healthy relationship.

The sex is going to die in any long relationship.

[Xonas Pitfall]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What do you want me to say about that?

Of course that is part of a healthy relationship.

The sex is going to die in any long relationship.

To clarify, no issue with liking it, of course. I just meant that it very much becomes a mockery of what a real, deep relationship is over time. You can’t really talk about “the desire for a deep, long-term relationship”, “selflessness, pure love“ without being okay with, or at least addressing, this simple fact of life.

That being said, I’m not really addressing this to you. I was referring to Aion’s tendency to be very opinionated about “the fall and corruption of women,” while he himself has made multiple accounts of living the same pickup/red-pill lifestyle and never really conceptualizing the possibility of being with someone older. That’s why I asked how he expects to have a proper long-term relationship this way, even though it’s something he speaks about so highly, and, in his worldview, he mostly blames women for this fault.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Xonas Pitfall much of the time, the type of thinking you highlight, causes these very issues that end up being the barrier that is trying to be taken down. A real deep bond with a woman. 

[Basman]

On 3/26/2026 at 10:58 AM, Leo Gura said:

Getting paid too well for your looks is not good for your development.

It can't be good for one's self esteem to base one's worth nearly entirely on one's looks. Imagine the stress of aging.

No chance to develop something psychologically substantial to aprove of yourself for if you choose to go all in on just looks. 

[Leo Gura]

41 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

To clarify, no issue with liking it, of course. I just meant that it very much becomes a mockery of what a real, deep relationship is over time. You can’t really talk about “the desire for a deep, long-term relationship”, “selflessness, pure love“ without being okay with, or at least addressing, this simple fact of life.

I agree, but nothing I say contradicts that.

Long term relationships cannot be about sex, they are about companionship.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Basman]

On 3/26/2026 at 10:43 AM, Xonas Pitfall said:

I do wonder if people would have the same reactions toward the owner of Pornhub or other well-known porn sites. It seems like OnlyFans carries a certain sting for some men because it’s seen as “empowering” women. But when women are coerced into porn or are part of an agency run by a man, those same men are often viewed as legends, "cool chill guy", or just neutral. Hm . . . 

OF is an algorythmic topic. 

And it's not like a CEO dying really matters. Killing a state leader doesn't make a regime dissapear. CEOs are replaceable. Big porn companies will chug along like nothing. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

4 hours ago, AION said:

@yetineti I know how she works 

I think the point is you don't know how I work or any woman. You have an idea but it is skewed by internet algorithms and toxic stuff. 

I would never be so arrogant to claim I know how you work. You don't have one iota of who I am or how I work. You only see what I strategically present here. The same can be said for anyone.

You reject my feedback based on character, not on ideas and topics I present. Me pointing out the source and derivation of your ideas is attempting to get to the root of the issues. To illustrate how thinking is going awry. I wouldn't get upset over this. It is an idea and process critique. It appears as if you have made a personality out of your ideas and opinions. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Xonas Pitfall as we grow what we are attracted to changes as well. It isn't static.

Many people claim they are attracted to traits IE beauty, only to grow up and mature. Suddenly this isn't the top attractive trait any longer. Other qualities become the primary attractive quality. 

As a strong example - most people claim the age range of who they are attracted to broadens as they get older. They become attracted to people who show signs of aging and character. 

We can transition from being attracted to appearance as top priority, then pivoting to kindness. Or intellect. We can transition from being attracted to spontaneity and expression to diligence and responsibility.

A big blind spot for many people is thinking the qualities we are attracted are static. Fixed.

Edited 20 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Osaid]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

much of the time, the type of thinking you highlight, causes these very issues that end up being the barrier that is trying to be taken down. A real deep bond with a woman. 

100%. Strangely, the gender-based pseudoscience creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

@AION does not want a deep bond, because that would require him to be "vulnerable" and admit that the gender ideology isn't real and he doesn't know how every woman on the planet thinks. Within his own formulation, building a deep bond with someone who is supposedly evil or corrupt makes no sense. He does not want to bond because it would be painful to do so, and the gender ideology helps to prevent him from bonding. As soon as he accepts how he feels, the ideology would fade too, they are not actually separate. The ideology is the feeling.

In a sense, he is getting exactly what he wants, at the result of emotional suppression. He picks ideology over feeling. That pesky feeling though. You can feel his resentment against the other gender building up. Instead of accepting how he feels, it's so much easier to justify it through misogynistic ideologies. "It's their fault I feel this way", "If women did this then I would feel better", etc. Anything to avoid feeling his initial assumption (that women are corrupt).

Anyways, my gosh, the women of the forum are probably laughing at how confused men are. 

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Natasha Tori Maru I agree fully! My only point was that it’s often disheartening seeing people like AION preach about the corruption of women, how they aren’t modest, feminine, "being hypergamous," and so on, but then live and be proud of the exact lifestyle, which directly contributes to the further corruption of the dating market. I don’t think you should really have the right to complain about the state of the dating market and "deep loving relationships" if your approach is short-term, opportunistic, and hedonistic. That's all!

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I agree, but nothing I say contradicts that.

Long term relationships cannot be about sex, they are about companionship.

All good! My point was more directed at AION and guys with a similar mindset.

I think my only critique on your end was that I recall you talking about wanting a deep connection and praising genuine, selfless love, but most of the posts about femininity seemed more focused on criticizing it as ungrounded, irrational, and illogical, and mainly praising the sexual and beauty aspects instead.

I also remember asking you the same question: “How do you plan to have a long-term relationship and maintain attraction as looks change?” and your only answer was “I don’t know, we’ll see,” while continuing to emphasize how important beauty and attraction are. Which, don’t get me wrong, I agree with, but it does feel a bit inconsistent considering the amount of talk about “deep love” and connection.

But I think you understand this, so I don’t want to make it a bigger deal or anything 

Bottom line: if you want a genuine long-term relationship with a woman, you need to respect the feminine. You can’t see it as something irrational, illogical, or purely emotional, while only cherry-picking sexual attraction and physical beauty, and hoping that somehow it will glue and sustain the relationship forever. You can start there, sure, but the bond eventually has to deepen and build over time. Otherwise, you’re setting yourself up to fail from the start.

And again, if you simply don’t care about that or cannot ever imagine it, that’s fine. But then that person probably shouldn’t claim authority when talking about what femininity is, the differences between men and women, what love is, or the state of the dating market and relationships in general. It becomes inconsistent and hard to take seriously.

Edited 2 minutes ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Osaid I think you expounded on what I am seeing in a much clearer way than me! I appreciate your insights 🙏🏻

Interesting to think how my words would be received if my avatar wasn't present and expressed as female. Responding to character and not ideas reveals development level.

@Xonas Pitfall