Leo’s trans blog post

[Zen LaCroix]

@Leo Gura What got you so into Aba and Preach's content?

Edited yesterday at 06:24 AM by Zen LaCroix

[Fabreeze]

@Leo Gura I can assure you Leo that 95%(not 99% just to be generous to your argument)
of gay and trans people don’t expect or are offended by the fact straight people don’t want to date/have sex with them. Any adult with a sound mind can understand that. 
 

to take some video of someone making unreasonable and irrational claims like that and touting it as “trans ideology” is very misguided in my opinion and you’re playing into transphobic narratives that the right loves to peddle to stoke fear into the public. 
 

I also really doubt that the role of a lgbtq activist is to take random children and convince them to swap genders Leo. That seems like a really distorted and dishonest claim about the work they do. In fact that claim is something I’d hear on some right wing slop social media page or Fox News. 
 

doesn’t it make more sense that the role of an activist is to advocate for those people who already define themselves in that lgbtq category? How many activists do you genuinely believe spend time convincing random kids to swap genders? 

Edited yesterday at 06:35 AM by Fabreeze

[Ramasta9]

An example of a healthy transvestite who embodies and owns their role is someone like Alexis Arquette in their performance in The Wedding Singer. I re-watched this movie the other day and Alexis appeared beautiful and owning the transgender vibe without appearing deformed and mentally ill as most appear today.

An example of an unhealthy and mentally ill person is one who rejects their god-given nature, jabs needles in them, cuts off body parts, lives on drugs, ozempics, and processed foods/substances, and chemically / technologically alters their system to the degree that they become genetically modified mutations and barely natural humans anymore.

This is a disease, a sickness, which is often why when they go through deep spiritual purification processes, detoxification,prolonged fasting and healing retreats, either they return to balanced sexuality or simply be who they feel most natural without rejecting their given nature but accepting and embracing it fully.

See the problem is when one rejects and tries to cut off, and chemically or technologically alter nature, is when one goes against god and truth, and that's where a soul starts to degrade and lose consciousness and sovereignty over their mind/body/spirit complex and the d/evil takes over.

Going against Nature is going against God, so if one does such things, God can no longer help or protect them, because everyone has free-will.

Eli touches upon something similar at 36:23 on some of the background energies creating these false signals.

 

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Fabreeze said:

to take some video of someone making unreasonable and irrational claims like that and touting it as “trans ideology” is very misguided in my opinion and you’re playing into transphobic narratives that the right loves to peddle to stoke fear into the public. 

You want to have it both ways.

On the one hand you want to deny that irrational activists exist. On the other hand when I post you their videos you want to dismiss it as right wing propaganda.

You have to confront the reality that unreasonable LBGTQ activism exists. It's not merely a right-wing boogey-man.

[Nercohype]

@Leo Gura yes it is Leo. Don't lie now 😉

Remember you said Truth is the highest value. It is just a boodyman. (Rightwing lie) A petty issue. An fly that has been made into a ox. 

Edited yesterday at 06:47 AM by Nercohype

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Nercohype said:

It is just a boodyman. (Rightwing lie) A petty issue

It is disrespectful that you would think I am doing right-wing ideology.

You should know me better than that.

You guys are not thinking seriously about this issue.

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

@Leo Gura What got you so into Aba and Preach's content?

It's very educational.

[lostingenosmaze]

This video is pretty partial compared to Aba and Preach, I've pretty much disregarded the disinformation and polarity in the Joe Rogan segment (I'm starting to appreciate @Leo Gura and why he had to go back 4-6 years to find proper trans discourse), but it lowkey feels validating to see a gay man speak out on these issues. Like I was getting out of Christianity and starting to accept my sexuality with feminine and now masculine men growing up and over the years. To go from that to intersex activism and having to use various gender pronouns was honestly overwhelming to me. I'm still kinda peeved Bridget, the Guilty Gear franchise femboy icon that played a part in accepting my homosexuality, got their lore completely retconned to become trans for some reason. It's just so confusing, and the rightoids enshittifying the media to support their bigotry against trans doesn't help either.

Edited yesterday at 07:19 AM by lostingenosmaze

[Nercohype]

@Leo Gura Poor excuses, Leo. I don’t care if it’s uncomfortable for you to hear this. This is what it means to go beyond comfort. You will not hide behind your excuses. You just showed me that you don’t practice what you preach. You could have admitted you were wrong, but instead you chose to attack me with words. I expected better from you.

[Leo Gura]

49 minutes ago, Nercohype said:

You just showed me that you don’t practice what you preach.

You have a long way to go to understand what I preach.

You don't have to agree with any of my political views. Think for yourself.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It is one thing to teach identity and sexuality at school. That some people can be something other than a man or a woman.

It is another to give people an idea they CAN be what they choose. I feel this gets tricky and nuanced. It needs to be information revealed at a certain level of maturity. I can tell you as a woman when I went through puberty, I was horrified at the changes I was going through. I rejected a lot of my femininity. I know if I had an idea I could easily change my gender or sex, I would have entertained it. And MANY girls - most - go through this when they hit puberty. Very common.

I am interested to hear how you guys think this should be handled? There was no social media back then. No access to ideas like this. I knew intersex, gay, trans etc existed. But I never questioned it in myself. Do you think I may have, if I had grown up after the 90s?

I am all for advocating for educating people around gay, trans, intersex etc and all in between.

[Clarence]

@Leo Gura Have you seen my post in the Blog Discussion Mega-Thread?

I’ll link it here. I hope you’ll take the time to read it and watch the videos.

I totally get your point that trans ideologies are a real issue. The point I raise in my post is not about that, but about the way being trans itself is framed in your blog post.

I hope you'll see what I’m trying to communicate and understand why I think the way you conflate these different realities in your blog post is problematic.

[Fabreeze]

@Natasha Tori Maru I can only share my experience as a male. 

I’m pretty confident in thinking that if someone told me I could be a woman in the 5th grade I wouldn’t be interested at all. I’ve never felt the need to express myself as a woman. 

 i knew drag queens were a thing and i didn’t feel the need to try that out as a kid either. 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Fabreeze Cheers for sharing your experience. It is an interesting grey area as some younguns are more impressionable than others. It makes me wonder how borderline personality disorder sufferers might respond as well - they have an unstable, nebulous sense of self. They essentially have trouble knowing who they are. Someone as vulnerable as this might be at risk encountering ideas that can make an impression.

I think for this reason many medical professionals screen extensively for personality disorders with these sorts of things. Really horrible when doctors are negligent and do not screen properly prior to something as extreme as transitioning, as an example.

[Zen LaCroix]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This kind of nonsense is what I mean by trans ideology:

I'm supposed to like dick to make trans people feel secure about themselves? Hell naw.

I've heard some say if you don't date trans people you're transphobic but is that even the main consensus among the trans community or the opinion of just a few trans people?

Are we overblowing this because a few trans people are saying this online and its easy to make them all punching bag?

It's not like them saying that is gonna change what people are attracted to

Edited 4 hours ago by Zen LaCroix

[Adrian colby]

10 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I am interested to hear how you guys think this should be handled? There was no social media back then. No access to ideas like this. I knew intersex, gay, trans etc existed. But I never questioned it in myself. Do you think I may have, if I had grown up after the 90s?

I am all for advocating for educating people around gay, trans, intersex etc and all in between.

I’m trans. I don’t identify as such but I’m aware of the biological incoherence in my own system even though I had no external influences. There’s a difference between biologically emergent identity and symbolic level identity  regardless of symbolic level influence, a biological system will always have an inherent identity. ( incoherence within a system becomes part of that innate identity.)

I had no internet growing up. I wasn’t exposed to any lgbt culture, I’d never heard the word trans and I don’t think there was anything other than binary biology at school.  There were no doctors in my country at the time who knew anything about it or treated it.

my identity was persistent and sustained from 4-5 years old and it became a severe problem at 14.

I stayed away from the lgbt or any activism. I did go to check out that scene when I was part the way into my treatment but I was not impressed with the behaviour. I didn’t gel with anyone in that community and figured it was just another culture to conform to.

it was more the case for me, get treated correctly and reintegrate back into society as normal so I’m straight male and the condition once treated no longer exists…when I was treated by a competent team, I was diagnosed with a DSD and gender incongruency.  No one knows about the condition. I didn’t talk about it, kept up with healthchecks at the doctors but just got on with my life. 
 

I see others making a show of themselves, shouting at people and demanding respect ( I understand the anger and frustration in them, I’ve been there…but) you’re heading for a punch in the face behaving like that. 

being prior to 1990’s when I started having problems, it wouldn't have made a difference in my case,  what timeline widespread education happened. 

I was treated incorrectly in the beginning so the only benefit to growing up post ‘90s is that I would have had access to the proper healthcare and not suffered a rake of issues that could have been avoided. 

I think I would agree that educating about the different types of people in our species reduces marginalisation but telling kids they can do whatever they want without undersranding complex biological systems is playing into symbolic identity which can fragment someone from innate identity. That’s not a good thing for a regular kid or  trans kid either. 

[Adrian colby]

10 hours ago, Zen LaCroix said:

I've heard some say if you don't trans people you're transphobic but is that even the main consensus among the trans community or the opinion of just a few trans people?

 

I’m a man ( trans/DSD containing both male and female). I like women ( sorry that’s boring and traditional). also a field of awareness that is neither a man or woman ( sorry again but this is the actualised forum and I have experienced god realisation and nondual awareness).

I can say I like all women but it wouldn’t be true because I have preferences/biases. I have preferences for certain types of women and that can be cut down again into specific women I find attractive. Would I with a trans woman? It completely depends on the person. I have come across one I was attracted to. 

ive had a rigid preference for women shorter than me but I fell for someone taller than me  and that prior ‘dealbreaker’ flew out the window, so it’s completely dependent on the person. It’s my preference, and a preference is not something prescribed for others and not for others to judge me over ( that’s stepping over someone else's boundary implying moral superiority… not ok!)
 

It’s not “Im not attracted to a person because they are trans”, I’m not attracted to them because I don’t find them to be an attractive person. I can’t fake that but I personally wouldn’t use being trans as an excuse because I wouldn’t just be rejecting them but invalidating their identity as well and that’s stepping over a line. 
I wouldn’t want it done to me so I wouldn’t do it.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

30 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

I’m trans. I don’t identify as such but I’m aware of the biological incoherence in my own system even though I had no external influences. There’s a difference between biologically emergent identity and symbolic level identity  regardless of symbolic level influence, a biological system will always have an inherent identity. ( incoherence within a system becomes part of that innate identity.)

I had no internet growing up. I wasn’t exposed to any lgbt culture, I’d never heard the word trans and I don’t think there was anything other than binary biology at school.  There were no doctors in my country at the time who knew anything about it or treated it.

my identity was persistent and sustained from 4-5 years old and it became a severe problem at 14.

I stayed away from the lgbt or any activism. I did go to check out that scene when I was part the way into my treatment but I was not impressed with the behaviour. I didn’t gel with anyone in that community and figured it was just another culture to conform to.

it was more the case for me, get treated correctly and reintegrate back into society as normal so I’m straight male and the condition once treated no longer exists…when I was treated by a competent team, I was diagnosed with a DSD and gender incongruency.  No one knows about the condition. I didn’t talk about it, kept up with healthchecks at the doctors but just got on with my life. 
 

I see others making a show of themselves, shouting at people and demanding respect ( I understand the anger and frustration in them, I’ve been there…but) you’re heading for a punch in the face behaving like that. 

being prior to 1990’s when I started having problems, it wouldn't have made a difference in my case,  what timeline widespread education happened. 

I was treated incorrectly in the beginning so the only benefit to growing up post ‘90s is that I would have had access to the proper healthcare and not suffered a rake of issues that could have been avoided. 

I think I would agree that educating about the different types of people in our species reduces marginalisation but telling kids they can do whatever they want without undersranding complex biological systems is playing into symbolic identity which can fragment someone from innate identity. That’s not a good thing for a regular kid or  trans kid either. 

Thank you Adrian, I really enjoy the quality and nuance in your posts. You bring some great earnest, honest and candid truth to your experience.

It appears also, you very much avoid restricting yourself to any sort of label or sweeping distinction. I think this has contributed to inoculating you against rigid ideology and unconscious indoctrination. Based.

Appreciated