RedPill Understanding

[Rafael Thundercat]

I dont know if there is a MegaThread about this but here it goes. Sharing this while in Brasil there is a votation in the paralament to criminalize RedPill content online since it leads to femicide. Femicide is a epidemic in our world and Redpill Ideology is part of the problem.  Worth understanding. 

 

[LordFall]

I didn't watch it but seems like he has some cool points from the gemini overview.

We careful with terms though; what does the red pill mean? Some people in there actively hate women and constantly berate them. Some others just see it as game theory and self-development like myself. A lot of dating is a function of macroeconomics, it's cool to see how they intersect. Don't hate women though they're just trying to have a good life like anybody else. 

[Raze]

Femicide is a complete nonsense term just used to separate killings of women as an issue so killings of men can go unaddressed and feminists can’t be countered with the fact that men are more likely to be killed when they try to paint murder as a uniquely female effecting  issue.

They did the same thing with domestic abuse, despite it in some ways making more sense in that context they turned it into a feminist issue which ignored many of the actual causes and painted it as a ideological oppression dynamic, which actually made it harder to address and reduce. 

There is absolutely zero evidence of redpill content being a significant cause of femicide. There are no example of known redpill ideological motivated killings and only a handful of incel / blackpill ones.

Its a media narrative by feminists to try and pathologize struggling men. In the UK they were making schools watch the show adolescence which was about some incel killer when in reality it was totally fictional and there was never any incident like what the show depicted. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Raze

[Leo Gura]

Red Pill is cringe juvenile nonsense.

[Ulax]

20 minutes ago, Raze said:

Femicide is a complete nonsense term just used to separate killings of women as an issue so killings of men can go unaddressed and feminists can’t be countered with the fact that men are more likely to be killed when they try to paint murder as a uniquely female effecting  issue.

They did the same thing with domestic abuse, despite it in some ways making more sense in that context they turned it into a feminist issue which ignored many of the actual causes and painted it as a ideological oppression dynamic, which actually made it harder to address and reduce. 

There is absolutely zero evidence of redpill content being a significant cause of femicide. There are no example of known redpill ideological motivated killings and only a handful of incel / blackpill ones.

Its a media narrative by feminists to try and pathologize struggling men. In the UK they were making schools watch the show adolescence which was about some incel killer when in reality it was totally fictional and there was never any incident like what the show depicted. 

Fair points

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

There is absolutely zero evidence of redpill content being a significant cause of femicide. There are no example of known redpill ideological motivated killings and only a handful of incel / blackpill ones

There is,  make your research better. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

There is absolutely zero evidence of redpill content being a significant cause of femicide. There are no example of known redpill ideological motivated killings and only a handful of incel / blackpill ones.

Recently a Colonel killed his own wife and on his communications by Whatsapp with her he reveals RedPill language. 

Make you own search, I will let the summary translated here:

Here is the translation:
Messages exchanged between Lieutenant Colonel Geraldo Leite Rosa Neto and his wife, police officer Gisele Alves Santana — who was killed on February 18, 2026, in São Paulo — reveal a pattern of control, aggression, and demands for submission. The officer was charged with femicide and procedural fraud.
Content and Excerpts from the Messages:
Ideology of Submission: The officer referred to himself as an "alpha male" and demanded that his wife be an "obedient female."
Behavioral Demands: In his messages, he wrote: "I treat you the way every alpha male treats his wife — with love, affection, respect, and protection, as long as she is an obedient and submissive female to her husband, and not a beta female who wants to set the rules..."
Aggression and Threats: The message exchanges, used in the prosecution's indictment, revealed abusive behavior. In one of the records, he describes physically assaulting his wife.
Control: The analyzed messages show a pattern of control over his wife's life, including an attempt to stage her death as a suicide after the crime.
After the crime, body cameras worn by other police officers recorded the lieutenant colonel saying: "I'm going to take a shower, brother."
The case is being treated as femicide, with evidence that the officer attempted to tamper with the crime scene.

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

There is absolutely zero evidence of redpill content being a significant cause of femicide. There are no example of known redpill ideological motivated killings and only a handful of incel / blackpill ones.

I'm not 100% sure that's the case, but even assuming that it is, at a bear minimum it fosters hostility between the genders. Especially when consumed by 12 year old boys in school who don't have the critical thinking or life experience to question the content they consume online. It isn't a huge leap to see how that could lead to women being hurt or even killed in extreme cases, especially as this kind of content gets more prevalent.

In the context of this video about criminalising redpill, I suspect 'redpill' is being used as an umbrella term for all of the manosphere content including incel / blackpill. Differentiating between all of these terms is hard, the lines are blurry. At a high level they are all in the same vein and produce similar end results.

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Femicide is a complete nonsense term just used to separate killings of women as an issue so killings of men can go unaddressed and feminists can’t be countered with the fact that men are more likely to be killed when they try to paint murder as a uniquely female effecting  issue.

It has an objectively distinct meaning, which is killing of a woman specifically because she is a woman. I think that is a distinction worth making. We do similar things with racially motivated killing (hate crime). Somebody being killed because they are black is something notably distinct from a black person being killed for revenge, money or any of the standard motives for murder.

[AION]

Red pill is not the problem, it is a symptom of a problem. As long as the problems that men have aren´t adressed and are suppressed we will see much more wild stuff. We are only in the honey moon phase of the shit show.

Edited 1 hour ago by AION

[Raze]

2 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Recently a Colonel killed his own wife and on his communications by Whatsapp with her he reveals RedPill language. 

Make you own search, I will let the summary translated here:

Here is the translation:
Messages exchanged between Lieutenant Colonel Geraldo Leite Rosa Neto and his wife, police officer Gisele Alves Santana — who was killed on February 18, 2026, in São Paulo — reveal a pattern of control, aggression, and demands for submission. The officer was charged with femicide and procedural fraud.
Content and Excerpts from the Messages:
Ideology of Submission: The officer referred to himself as an "alpha male" and demanded that his wife be an "obedient female."
Behavioral Demands: In his messages, he wrote: "I treat you the way every alpha male treats his wife — with love, affection, respect, and protection, as long as she is an obedient and submissive female to her husband, and not a beta female who wants to set the rules..."
Aggression and Threats: The message exchanges, used in the prosecution's indictment, revealed abusive behavior. In one of the records, he describes physically assaulting his wife.
Control: The analyzed messages show a pattern of control over his wife's life, including an attempt to stage her death as a suicide after the crime.
After the crime, body cameras worn by other police officers recorded the lieutenant colonel saying: "I'm going to take a shower, brother."
The case is being treated as femicide, with evidence that the officer attempted to tamper with the crime scene.

That’s not evidence he murdered based on influence from redpill, it’s just an example of a abusive controlling husband, which was not invented by the redpill.

Reading articles on it, it seems his motivation if he did kill her was jealousy from believing she was seeing other men. Thousands of killings like this happen every year with no connection to redpill ideology.

1 hour ago, something_else said:

I'm not 100% sure that's the case, but even assuming that it is, at a bear minimum it fosters hostility between the genders. Especially when consumed by 12 year old boys in school who don't have the critical thinking or life experience to question the content they consume online. It isn't a huge leap to see how that could lead to women being hurt or even killed in extreme cases, especially as this kind of content gets more prevalent.

 

Nope, it is a huge leap when these movements existed for years now and there is no evidence of widespread violence or violence increasing as a result of it. Hundreds of mass killings occurred and only a couple had evidence of motivations based on incel blackpill ideology, none from redpill. Crime rates are currently declining. You’re basically saying it’s not a huge leap to assume something that there isn’t evidence of it happening is happening.

https://labs.la.utexas.edu/buss/files/2023/07/Whyisnttheremoreincelviolence.pdf

This study found no evidence incels are predisposed to violence. We actually do have some confirmed examples of incel inspired violence as well, I cannot find anything on redpill inspired violence.

1 hour ago, something_else said:

In the context of this video about criminalising redpill, I suspect 'redpill' is being used as an umbrella term for all of the manosphere content including incel / blackpill. Differentiating between all of these terms is hard, the lines are blurry. At a high level they are all in the same vein and produce similar end results.

Nope, manosphere is a catch all term meaning The manosphere is a varied collection of websites, blogs, and online forums promoting masculinity, misogyny, and opposition to feminism.

That is extremely broad and all movements in this do not whatsoever produce similar end results. There is a massive difference between MRAs calling for political reform, MGTOW insisting men should avoid women all together, incels saying you are subhuman and should looksmaxx, redpill etc.

Part of collecting it as one group and not differentiating is some that they can be painted with the same brush based on extremists to pathologize and cancel unrelated groups.

1 hour ago, something_else said:

 

It has an objectively distinct meaning, which is killing of a woman specifically because she is a woman. I think that is a distinction worth making. We do similar things with racially motivated killing (hate crime). Somebody being killed because they are black is something notably distinct from a black person being killed for revenge, money or any of the standard motives for murder.

Then it’s being used incoherently and incorrectly. They’re declaring basically any example of a male killing his female partner or family member as femicide, no one ever says when a woman or gay man kills their male partner it is some sort of gender specific thing.

All the articles saying there is a rise in femicide specifically also wouldn’t back this up, they just discuss crimes against women not necessarily evidence it happens because they are women.

Edited 25 minutes ago by Raze