How Do You Relate to Reality, Self, World?

[cetus]

5 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

It sounds potentially exciting. What would that entail from your point of view?

I'd start with becoming more aware during sleep and dream states. There is a treasure trove there waiting to be realized.

[LastThursday]

2 minutes ago, cetus said:

I'd start with becoming more aware during sleep and dream states. There is a treasure trove there waiting to be realized.

Funny you should say that, I have vivid dreams and good recall. I used to maintain a dream diary for a while. I stopped because I was waking in the middle of the night and making quick notes of my dreams, but that was making me tired in the day. I need a better system.

What do you think can be realised from dreams?

[Hojo]

8 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

After going deep on spirituality and self-actualization, how do you relate to people, reality, mind, society?

I dont, I get my groceries and go to work if people talk to me, we talk if they dont I dont really push anything

What is your baseline consciousness? What it looks like to be you as a normal human being? 

I am shit on the bottom of Gods shoe. My baseline consciousness is low staring not thinking.

Do you see reality as a physical thing? Do you see other people as separate?

I see it as an empty cube.

 

[CARDOZZO]

What I really get from responses here is that everyone is full of shit and fantasies. (including myself)

You watch videos, read, do stuff, practices, self-actualize but you do not walk the talk. You are still a human. Nothing special about it.

You do not ground absolute truth into duality, you see reality as physical, you walk on the streets as zombies - we are basically normies. 

What is the point anyway in doing all that? (Enlightenment/Self-Actualization) 

[CARDOZZO]

We are just addicted to spirituality, self-help and grandiose ideals.

Edited 10 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[CARDOZZO]

I will not blame any teacher, teachings, practices, books or whatever. 

I have full responsibility on that matter. I am just pointing out a deeper issue here that we all have in common. 

Contemplate where you are wrong.

[cetus]

52 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

What do you think can be realised from dreams?

Dreams are the gateway to infinite dimensions within consciousness, so the possibilities are endless.

But for a targeted realization it's often said to set an intention before falling asleep.

Edited 10 hours ago by cetus

[Eskilon]

36 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

What is the point anyway in doing all that? (Enlightenment/Self-Actualization) 

You come into this world empty-handed and you are also going empty-handed. Think about all the greatest conquerors and human beings, where are they now? Dust unto dust.

Doesn't this create a great longing in you? That everything is so fleeting and in a sense nothing really matters because it does not last. 

Enlightenment is a journey to(perhaps I dunno) know the deathless, something that truly last and fulfill you. Otherwise you are just a hamster in a wheel -- doing, doing, doing and not accomplishing anything really. From desire to desire, chasing your tail. Ending either in boredom or frustation. Just waiting for Death to take everything from you.

Edited 10 hours ago by Eskilon

[cetus]

How Do You Relate to Reality, Self, World?

Infinite cycles of impermanence.

[CARDOZZO]

23 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

You come into this world empty-handed and you are also going empty-handed. Think about all the greatest conquerors and human beings, where are they now? Dust unto dust.

Doesn't this create a great longing in you? That everything is so fleeting and in a sense nothing really matters because it does not last. 

Enlightenment is a journey to(perhaps I dunno) know the deathless, something that truly last and fulfill you. Otherwise you are just a hamster in a wheel -- doing, doing, doing and not accomplishing anything really. From desire to desire, chasing your tail. Ending either in boredom or frustation. Just waiting for Death to take everything from you.

Just proves my point. 

I'm sick of fantasies, bullshit, never ending self-masturbation. 

If you really think about, survival is a form of self-actualization. What normal people are doing is already self-actualization.

They are chasing stage blue/orange dreams and fantasies. 

[Eskilon]

5 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Just proves my point. 

I'm sick of fantasies, bullshit, never ending self-masturbation. 

If you really think about, survival is a form of self-actualization. What normal people are doing is already self-actualization.

They are chasing stage blue/orange dreams and fantasies. 

I wouldnt quite compare Enlightenment to those other things. But who I am to tell you anything?

Ask yourself this question, would you rather be lucid and know what`s up or not? 

You need patience, the road is long, that`s why almost no one is Enlightened(including people here who preach they are)but if you want, just eat, drink, and be merry until you get bored

Edited 9 hours ago by Eskilon

[Oyashiro]

1 hour ago, CARDOZZO said:

everyone is full of shit

Deepest truth.

[CARDOZZO]

21 minutes ago, Oyashiro said:

Deepest truth.

😕

[Hojo]

@CARDOZZO 

36 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Just proves my point. 

I'm sick of fantasies, bullshit, never ending self-masturbation. 

If you really think about, survival is a form of self-actualization. What normal people are doing is already self-actualization.

They are chasing stage blue/orange dreams and fantasies. 

You are doing it not us. We are dirt. Theres your next door to step through. Meditate on how worthless and shitty you are something will happen.

You taking it as a negative is the boundary to be crossed. There is light at the other side and its total peace.

Stop fantasizing there is no hope.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

9 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Got it.

You just want to be a normal human being.

I would say it's way more nuanced than this.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

14 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Why is it so difficult to have a normal/decent conversation here? 

Because we have spiritual egos we MUST attend to, prior to any genuine interaction (if one can be had, at all!) 😁😁😁

But to answer - my general experience if life phenomenologically, as my consciousness has expanded?

I judge others a lot less. I am more interested in them, than me. I never was so interested in speaking of myself anyway. But this has grown.

I enjoy hearing about what the person does. But this has nothing to do with who they are. So my experience of others usually involves me digging into their preferences, what makes them different to me. Because I feel they are me more so than ever, so the small differences seem HUGE now! I see how I am the same as others more than ever.

I focus much less on what is said. Much more on eyes, movement, gestures. Tone. Facial expressions. Body presence. Although, it is hard to say if this is a higher consciousness thing, or borne of the online world - so much online is text now - so I focus on the body in front of me. What it is telling me. 

Overall you can see how grounded and integrated someone is by how their body moves, how deliberate and slow their actions are. People such as this are usually very diligent, disciplined, deep and thoughtful. People who rush are generally lower consciousness. 

My personal enjoyment of human interaction is much, much greater now. I reach out and touch people (with their permission) more than ever. 

Overall my spiritual process has become about finding out the needs of the other, and working out how I can help them see to it they are met through their own power and sovereignty. Even if it is just a passing interaction at a cash register. I will always try to bring the humanity to the interaction. 

Overall I value life a lot more. It has taken a long time and lots of work on my own conditioning.

I am much more candid now. Much more honest even when it hurts. I check in with myself emotionally more. I never push truth on others - I present what I have and let the person come. Or I read they are open to truth.

When I am triggered or low, I never attack or lash out. The most I will do is shrink from extending my energy. I will still always try to breach the gap between me and other in some way. When in this state I am brutally honest and stern with others, but never attacking. Attacking has never been in me. 

There's probably more - but body hungers ❤️

Overall I am so satisfied with basic bitch existence. Like. Rediculously so! Just getting into bed, clean sheets, washed body. BLISS! The sunrise every morning from my rooftop - the best part of the day! The look of the gum trees in the wind...  Their smell.

I am just satisfied to a great extent.

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[LastThursday]

@CARDOZZO you asked us a sensible question, we open up and give you genuine answers, you castigate us for those answers.

We've got to start from somewhere, as normies, and go from there, there will be people at many different stages here. And, the work isn't done on this forum, which is an informal chaotic place, it's done IRL. Anyone looking in here will get a very distorted shallow picture of what's really going on. A stage turqoise saint isn't going to announce their presence at all, they will look and sound normal. 

[Ziran]

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

The experience of life looks like physical, rigid, normal, boring.

Yes.  The physical is rigid, normal, boring... mundane.  The sparkle of life is intangible, beyond the physical.  The magic of life is in relationships.

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

When a barista is giving your coffee, how do you experience it?

Depends on the barista, but, in brief

I experience a twinkle in the their eye and genuine desire to serve.

17 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

What is your baseline consciousness? What it looks like to be you as a normal human being? 

ease

confident

aware

caring

thoughtful

playful 

17 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Do you see reality as a physical thing?

existence is physical

reality is much more

17 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Do you see other people as separate?

distinct?  yes

separate? no

... like soap bubbles, "as close as close can be"

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

I experience reality as a physical thing, where people are separate and have their own inner worlds. 

Nothing fantastical, imaginary, lovy, mystical.

What's happening within your own inner-world?

Sounds like you're in a rut.  

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

• How do you embody your spiritual insights?

well.  let's see.  Most often I find myself preaching/teaching optimism.   It's absolutely how I live my life.  I don't like to talk about it, but, I'm going thru a divorce.  It's awful.  On a daily basis, out of necessity, I am seeking alternatives, opening myself to opportunities, with absolute faith, "If this way sucks, there's always another way."

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

• How do you live life as a Sage?

making vessels for light

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

• What is your perceptive experience as a Awakened God-Realized Individual?

it feels like ... I don't know.  "squishy"  in a good way?

imagine a huge gym mat.  super-squishy.  like the worlds biggest shock-absorber.

but

also, very sensitive.  like the a glassy pond, in stillness

While listening, I close my eyes, become the sea, and vibrate

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

• How do you experience yourself? Human? Aiien? Nothingness? Awareness?

At some point, there was a big-bang, and I've been "pulsing", for lack of a better word ever since.  I am not a "thing".  I am the confluence of my affinities, aversions, talents, and flaws... with a pulse.  My given name is Daniel.  I go by Ziran because I like to do things naturally.

16 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

• How do you imagine reality? Dream? Movie? Normal Life? Physical? Ethereal? God's Mind?

It's "blossoming".  Like petals on a flower.  A nested chain of interdependent happenings.  Nested like Russian dolls, like hand-in-glove.  A nearly infinite chain-of-chains.  Each link is a moment, a record, in nearly infinite database.

 

[Oyashiro]

This is just my way of doing things, it might not work for you, but:

You should believe that you are the one and only unenlightened being in the whole of existence, and every other being in existence is perfectly enlightened and your precious guru. This includes every single person here on the Actualized Fourms, Donald Trump, everyone you've ever hated or found lacking in development: all of them are perfectly enlightened, and you yourself are the one and only being in reality who is lacking in development and unenlightened.

All of the seeming bad behavior and seeming lack of development of others is really just a massive performance for your own benefit - fuel for your own development. You must use this massive performance to better yourself. You will likely never be enlightened - but this is fine for you to accept because you are living in a world where literally every being except for yourself is perfectly enlightened and constnatly showing you endless lessons.