Leo

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Sincerity said:

At least Leo is not saying that he’s „too far gone” into some way of thought, and that he’s too old to learn.

I think Leo is open-minded. But I can’t know that. I don’t really know him.

Many here paint him as arrogant and egoic. I don’t agree with that. They don’t see the sincerity that I see in him.

Have some charitability, for god’s sake. Where is the love?

Hold on, just to spell out and to give others a temperature check how incredibly absurd what you just said there -  you are agnostic on the fact, whether Leo is open minded or not, because you dont know him (even though there is more content avalaible about him than about anyone else on here and you have also consumed more content about him, than about  anyone else here), and at the same time - you are more sure that Carl is closed minded, even though you know him less and you have consumed much less content about him. 

You are unsure about the guy, who has been consistently and explicitly claiming in the last 6-8 years of his life, that everyone else is wrong about spirituality and that he is more awake than all other beings in the universe;  made  claims about what depth others managed to reach (even though he has no direct access to any of their awakenings and to their minds) ; and fucking banned multiple people for disagreeing with him on spirituality.

 

With regards your charitability claim and with regards to the where is the love claim - I dont know dude, where was the love when he said that I could beat you idiots with a crowbar. You are like a pack of degranded dogs lapping up bullshit while eyeing me. and where was the love when he said that he wants to kill the guy for disagreeing with him on spirituality, where was the charitability and love when there is any spiritual disagreement with him on anything? 

Or was that tough love, because in that case this is just tough love as well.

Edited 2 hours ago by zurew

[Sincerity]

11 minutes ago, zurew said:

Hold on just to spell out and to give others a temperature check how incredibly absurd what you just said there -  you are agnostic on the fact whether Leo is open minded or not, but you are more sure that Carl is closed minded  - you are unsure about the guy has been consistently and explicitly claiming in the last 6-8 years of his life that everyone else is wrong about spirituality and that he is more awake than all other beings in the universe and the guy who spent the same amount of time making claims about what depth others reached even though he has no direct access to any of their awakenings and their minds and the guy who fucking banned multiple people for disagreeing with him.

Yes, exactly. I can’t know (because I don’t really know him), but I lean towards saying that he’s open-minded.

You should try the imagination practice of putting yourself in someone else’s shoes more.

11 minutes ago, zurew said:

With regards your charitability claim and with regards to the where is the love claim - I dont know dude, where was the love when he said that I could beat you idiots with a crowbar. You are like a pack of degranded dogs lapping up bullshit while eyeing me. and where was the love when he said that he wants to kill the guy for disagreeing with him on spirituality, where was the charitability and love when there is any single spiritual disagreement with him on anything?

Exactly. Be more charitable. I’m aware of everything you mentioned.

Is he saying these things consistently? Or was that a rather brief period?

When you love, you forgive things.

Edited 5 hours ago by Sincerity

[zurew]

9 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Yes, exactly. I can’t know (because I don’t really know him), but I lean towards saying that he’s open-minded.

You should try the imagination practice of putting yourself in someone else’s shoes more

Do you take it to be the case that if an average person would to read through all of Leo's posts in the last 5 years, do you think that they would come to the conclusion that you came to, or they would come to the conclusion that I came to about his closed mindedness?

Because given your responses, I dont think there is any state of affairs or post that Leo could write or do where your credence about him being closed minded and unhinged as fuck would ever shift if given all of the data you have consumed about him you are still agnostic.

 

I could also put it this way -  if you were to read through Leo's posts over again not knowing who wrote those posts, you would definitely not run the defense your are running now. You would say who the fuck is this arrogant closed minded guy?

Like the "charitability" and the "skepticism" that you are asking for to maintain your agnosticism about these things is such that you would never ever even entertain when it comes to any single other person.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by zurew

[Sincerity]

3 minutes ago, zurew said:

Do you take it to be the case that if an average person would to read through all of Leo's posts in the last 5 years, do you think that they would come to the conclusion that you came to, or they would come to the conclusion that I came to about his closed mindedness?

I'm sure an average person would see him as arrogant, egoic and closed-minded. 

But why would I care about an average person?

5 minutes ago, zurew said:

Because given your responses I dont think there is any state of affairs or post that Leo could write or do where your credence about him being closed minded and unhinged as fuck would ever shift if given all of the data you have consumed about him you are still agnostic.

There definitely is. If he consistently displayed that attitude of aggressiveness across months/years, I would be less agnostic. But does he? Or again, was it a brief period?

Again: when you love, you forgive things. You understand that you could act the same in the person's circumstances.

I feel like you're missing my main point. YOU can have compassion towards people. I'm not talking about Leo, I'm talking to you. You be charitable! You forgive people! It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.

If you don't resonate with Leo, simply let go. Is anyone forcing you to be here? If you don't love him, go wherever else your love is. What's the point in staying with someone you disdain?

[Sincerity]

1 minute ago, Sincerity said:

There definitely is. If he consistently displayed that attitude of aggressiveness across months/years, I would be less agnostic. But does he? Or again, was it a brief period?

@zurew You know, I was a Mod here already when he made the aggressive posts. After seeing them, I was considering giving up my Mod position. But I decided to stick with it because "heck, I trust that it will pass. He's a good guy." And it did.

[zurew]

13 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I'm sure an average person would see him as arrogant, egoic and closed-minded. 

But why would I care about an average person?

1) Because thats one way to check who is actually biased.

2) Because the average person doesnt have a dependent relationship on Leo and has nothing to lose, and you have at the very least your mod status to lose and even your account to lose.

13 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

There definitely is. If he consistently displayed that attitude of aggressiveness across months/years, I would be less agnostic. But does he? Or again, was it a brief period?

What do you think this thread is about? This thread is about showing you how he has been consistently  claiming for years that he is more awake than anyone in the universe.

Like my dude, you couldnt look any more lost and biased here.

 

13 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I feel like you're missing my main point. YOU can have compassion towards people. I'm not talking about Leo, I'm talking to you. You be charitable! You forgive people! It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.

I disagree with the standard that you are suggesting that I should apply. This is not about not being compassionate, this is about having a standard that allows you to evaluate situations hopefully in more accurate ways and with that you can make more accurate assessment about somone's character and predict how they will behave and what they will do or not do to you.

If I were to consistently apply the standard that you are suggesting there, I would be scammed and fucked over by literally everyone, because it wouldnt allow me to make any assessment about anyone.

 

Demonstrably, you dont take your own advice because you dont use the exact same standard on me and on Carl, so no im sorry but im not interested in playing this game.

With regards to the "why are you here then, no one is forcing you to be here" - I enjoy interacting with certain people on here and given that I still have freedom to express my opinion I still do so. Unless you take it to be the case that as long as there is a disagreement that alone is good reason to immediately leave a community and to never engage with them anymore.

Edited 5 hours ago by zurew

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Compassion doesnt meant tolerance. They get lumped together quite a lot. Tolerance is allowing a behaviour or situation in your space. Compassion is recognising another's suffering and caring about it. 

You mess up personal boundaries when the two concepts are conflated.

Similar to explanation / justification. Explanation isn't justification but one slides into the next for many people. Landing them in situations that shouldn't be tolerated.

Edited 5 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Sincerity]

Just now, zurew said:

1) Because thats one way to check who is actually biased.

That's a terrible way, because the average person is very biased.

1 minute ago, zurew said:

2) Because the average person doesnt have a dependent relationship on Leo and has nothing to lose, and you have at the very least your mod status to lose and even your account to lose.

I don't have a dependent relationship on Leo. Strip my Mod status away, I'll live on.

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

What do you think this thread is about? This thread is about showing you how he has been consistently  claimed for years that he is more awake than anyone in the universe.

Like my dude, you couldnt look any more lost and biased here.

Hold on my guy. I was talking about consistency regarding the aggressiveness. The "degranded dogs" posts and all that stuff. I am being precise in my responses to you, it seems like you aren't that way to me.

Regarding the being more awake that anyone else - maybe he is. How do you know? Or maybe simply that's his truth. For clarity: I don't necessarily believe that he is.

Key thing is, I'm not in an ego battle with Leo.

7 minutes ago, zurew said:

I disagree with the standard that you are suggesting that I should apply. This is not about not being compassionate, this is about having a standard that allows you to evaluate situations hopefully in more accurate ways and with that you can make more accurate assesment about somone's character and predict how they will behave and what they will do or not do to you.

If I were to consistently apply the standard that you are suggesting there, I would be scammed and fucked over by literally everyone, because it wouldnt allow me to make any assesment about anyone.

You can make accurate assessments from a position of love too.

If you don't have a love standard, well - that's a poor way to live to me. Your relationships must suffer because of it.

9 minutes ago, zurew said:

Demonstrably you dont take your own advice because you dont use the exact same standard on me and on Carl, so no im sorry but im not interested in playing this game.

Brother. I replied to one statement Carl made. Which was indicative of closed-mindedness. I'm not saying he's fucking doomed as a person. 

12 minutes ago, zurew said:

With regards to the "why are you here then no one is forcing you to be here" - I enjoy interacting with certain people on here and given that I still have freedom to express my opinion I do so. Unless you take it to be the case that as long as there is a disagreement that alone is good reason to immediately leave a community and to never engage with them anymore.

It's your choice. If the pros outweigh the cons for you, that's good.

* * * * *

Overall, it feels to me like you're very disconnected from love and feeling. So we won't reach any sort of understanding. You don't hear what I'm saying and that's fine. Godspeed to you. 

[Rilles]

What a great example of the stuff Leo talked about for years, and the forum, some of you, have fallen into it yourselves, self-deception, cult dynamics, its crazy to see it from the outside. Self deception for thee, but not for me. Hope you can let go of your gross attachment to Leo and his teachings.

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

That's a terrible way, because the average person is very biased.

 Appealing to a couple of average guys assessment  is more terrible  and less reliable even though they dont know any loaded background info about the person and they dont have any emotional attachment to the person who they will consume 5 years of content of and with that will make their assessment about; but a guy who has been a fan of him for years and who has been modding for him for years - that guy is more reliable to make an unbiased and accurate assessment about him.

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

Hold on my guy. I was talking about consistency regarding the aggressiveness. The "degranded dogs" posts and all that stuff. I am being precise in my responses to you, it seems like you aren't that way to me.

Regarding the being more awake that anyone else - maybe he is. How do you know? Or maybe simply that's his truth. For clarity: I don't necessarily believe that he is.

Key thing is, I'm not in an ego battle with Leo.

Lets be precise and lets go step by step then - specifically focus on your closed mindedness implications and claims.

You said that you dont know Leo well enough to claim that he is closed minded (again you are not sure about a guy who has been consistently claiming for years now that he is the most awake person and the guy who banned multiple people because they disagreed with him on spirituality) and at the same time, you had more confidence in claiming that Carl was more closed minded even though there is much less content avalaible about him and he doesnt have a history claiming to be more awake than everyone in the Universe.

 

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

Brother. I replied to one statement Carl made. Which was indicative of closed-mindedness. I'm not saying he's fucking doomed as a person. 

Based on one claim your standards allowed you to infer that Carl might be closed minded, but applying the exact same standards you are agnostic about Leo, given all of his past claims and content.

Perfectly believable and if you put a couple of more smile faces there it will be even more believable.

Edited 3 hours ago by zurew

[Monster Energy]

Just now, Rilles said:

What a great example of the stuff Leo talked about for years, and the forum, some of you, have fallen into it yourselves, self-deception, cult dynamics, its crazy to see it from the outside. Self deception for thee, but not for me. Hope you can let go of your gross attachment to Leo and his teachings.

When someone becomes emotionally attached to a person or an idea, criticism of that figure stops feeling like disagreement and starts feeling like a personal attack. The reaction becomes emotional rather than reflective. Logic and openness tend to disappear because the criticism is experienced as criticism of the self. And a lot of people simply aren’t comfortable sitting with that feeling.

 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

Lmao

 

so leo is me UNHINGED.
 

[Sincerity]

1 minute ago, Rilles said:

What a great example of the stuff Leo talked about for years, and the forum, some of you, have fallen into it yourselves, self-deception, cult dynamics, its crazy to see it from the outside. Self deception for thee, but not for me. Hope you can let go of your gross attachment to Leo and his teachings.

What I see all around is great examples of everyone wanting to bring each other down and have their ego win the battle. Completely unconscious - criticism, judgement, fighting, trolling, ridiculing. I've been a part of that too unfortunately. Which is a disgrace and I regret it.

I see injustice and just plain shitting on Leo here all the time. People not seeing that he's just another person. But then, love/charitability is painted as cult dynamics. It's sad people we're living among.

[Sincerity]

@zurew 👍

[AerisVahnEphelia]

On 15/03/2026 at 0:20 AM, Inliytened1 said:

I am the only one awake here.  All of you have the Consciousness of ants compared to me.  Anyone who doubts this has no clue the depths of Consciousness accessed by me.  You can never grasp my deeper awakenings so I don't even bother explaining them here.  There are levels of Consciousness that would take you centuries of study and spiritual practice to even come close to the states Ive accessed.

In my deepest awakening I shit myself, lost 25 pounds, and walked through my bedroom wall.

 

omg I laughed, you're so pathetic believing you're enlightened, I'll tell you what real enlightment is, it is being me, but you're not me, you cannot access it, you'll never do, I m just born superior in every way and domains.

Sorry that it is the way it is.

Edited 4 hours ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[Monster Energy]

Just now, AerisVahnEphelia said:

Lmao

 

so leo is me UNHINGED.
 

He sounds like me when I’m sober. That’s never the best version.

 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

2 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

What I see all around is great examples of everyone wanting to bring each other down and have their ego win the battle. Completely unconscious - criticism, judgement, fighting, trolling, ridiculing. I've been a part of that too unfortunately. Which is a disgrace and I regret it.

I see injustice and just plain shitting on Leo here all the time. People not seeing that he's just another person. But then, love/charitability is painted as cult dynamics. It's sad people we're living among.

good to know you escaped all this bullshit, mr sincerity.
but you clearly didn't escaped as much as I did.

[Sincerity]

Just now, AerisVahnEphelia said:

good to know you escaped all this bullshit, mr sincerity.

I didn't.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

you're so pathetic believing you're enlightened

Don't do these attacks.

Keep the discussion respectful.

[Leo Gura]

Discuss this topic without personal attacks please.