A Disturbing Truth About Spiritual Teachings

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys keep beating a dead horse.

Some people aren't smart enough to pick their battles 💀

Energy investment 

[AtmanIsBrahman]

I've been reading the discussion, and I think one important question is, What is understanding? 

There has to be some way that awakening, enlightenment, or becoming conscious of truth is happening

@UnbornTao Is understanding an experience or not? 

Maybe what you mean by experience is anything that is not the absolute, but that still leaves some questions open: Are you actually conscious of the absolute? What is the difference between an experience and understanding? Since understanding is always something you experience, how is it not an experience?

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Impossible to know.

Its not impossible.

You can just run the convo periodically again and see how he responds to it.

If he responds with something similar to "I am the most awake, and everyone else is still full of shit" then from that you can safely infer that he still holds the exact same attitude and position.

Edited 2 hours ago by zurew

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, zurew said:

Its not impossible.

You can just run the convo periodically again and see how he responds to it.

Ah! I meant - impossible to know if it was genuinely taken on board, considered, and rejected. Or if it was simply speed read over and no attempt was made to understand. 

I do agree there are some ways to deduct it though 

[zurew]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Ah! I meant - impossible to know if it was genuinely taken on board, considered, and rejected. Or if it was simply speed read over and no attempt was made to understand. 

I do agree there are some ways to deduct it though 

Okay, then we dont disagree.

[Miguel1]

On 11/03/2026 at 9:02 PM, Leo Gura said:

It it possible to have an Awakening but then get very deluded about it. As a Christian might do. Because they don't have the epistemic foundation.

I once read a theory somewhere that Christianty was born because a bunch of people walked back and forth through woods that had bushes emitting DMT in gas form