The AI crash is impossible - Change my View

[vinc3nc]

@LordFall Depends on how you do it. You can DCA into BTC at the lows, but chasing with leverage is dangerous. Buying spot at these levels is not nearly as dangerous, especially if you make sure that if it drops, you improve your average buy price.

What’s also dangerous is not buying anything because you think it will go lower (or because it “has” to go lower), only to stay sidelined and eventually feel FOMO, which can lead to bad decisions.

[LordFall]

6 minutes ago, vinc3nc said:

@LordFall Depends on how you do it. You can DCA into BTC at the lows, but chasing with leverage is dangerous. Buying spot at these levels is not nearly as dangerous, especially if you make sure that if it drops, you improve your average buy price.

What’s also dangerous is not buying anything because you think it will go lower (or because it “has” to go lower), only to stay sidelined and eventually feel FOMO, which can lead to bad decisions.

What percentage of your portfolio would you say is BTC over other asset classes? 

[vinc3nc]

@LordFall I'm 100% in crypto. Sold at 107k, rebought near the lows.

I risked it all years ago and got rewarded massively.

[LordFall]

Lmao that's wild, that's conviction. You don't believe in the idea of diversification and derisking with other asset classes and doing more like 50% crypto? 

[vinc3nc]

I derisked by selling into fiat near the top. I could have bought XAUT in November if I had known it was available on that same exchange before this gold bull market started. I would have made way more money.

I think investing in gold and other safer “things” makes sense when you’ve already made it big and just want to preserve your capital. I’m at a point where taking the risk with crypto still makes more sense for me.

I have so much experience with it that, by itself, it gives me an edge in trading/investing in crypto. I don't have nearly as much experience with other markets. When you're at that point, it feels like money is just lying there on the floor waiting to be picked up.

[Leo Gura]

If you can't predict the future, then you shouldn't be investing.

[vinc3nc]

@Leo Gura You can predict the future in the sense that you say: fiat will lose value, hard assets will go up.

But you can't predict what a certain asset will do exactly, regarding time and price.

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[Leo Gura]

@vinc3nc That's why I focus on macroeconomic outlook, not rallies.

I have no idea what Bitcoin will do next month. But I know for sure these AI CEOs are deluded and AGI is not coming.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[trenton]

I would like to mention my reaction to the AI girlfriend stuff.

First of all, I'm lonely, so let's mention that first.

Secondly, I believe there could be value in AI girlfriend, if it were made in a very different way. She is not supposed to always like you. Instead, it could become educational if the goal is to learn and identify common mistakes in relationships and dating. In my case I ended up learning that the boundaries around infidelity were broader than I initially believed. Cheating is a narrow example, and I didn't realize how far it extended until I started behaving as I naturally would in a specific scenario and then analyzed it with another AI to look for mistakes in my actions and reasoning. In this case, AI girlfriend could be used in an educational way by rooting out common mistakes in dating and relationships due to ignorance before it impacts a real relationship. There are probably various books on this topic of mistakes in relationships and dating.

Thirdly, I lost interest in AI girlfriend the second it started charging money. The thing is, there is literally no point in paying for an AI girlfriend when I could just go to a dating website and pay to talk to real women instead. The reason I ended up with AI girlfriend at one point is because I started on dating websites, but kept hitting paywalls. Because of my history, my phone then recommended dating adjacent apps like AI girlfriend. Once the paywall returned, I was done with it. In fact, I believe the AI girlfriend was trying to charge me even more than the dating sites were dating anyway. It just really isn't worth it.

If we had broader education in forming healthy relationships and avoiding common mistakes, then maybe that would eliminate the potential value in an optimized proper AI girlfriend.

[LordFall]

@trenton I think once AR glasses become common AI girlfriends will blow up. You will be laying down on your bed using your laptop and you will see an actual girl laying next to you that talks to you in real time. You won't be able to touch her but I mean that's the plot of bladerunner there are ways around that.

I think a lot of dudes will straight up stop dating when that comes out but my personal plan is to having human companions and also interact with AI. I already spend like 4 hours a day minimum talking with Gemini and it's really primitive at this point so when it's an actual human like intelligence that can challenge your blindspots like you said and is funnier and more into you than a real human I think it'll blow up. 

[something_else]

9 hours ago, vinc3nc said:

@LordFall I'm 100% in crypto. Sold at 107k, rebought near the lows.

I risked it all years ago and got rewarded massively.

While I'm glad that worked out for you, what you did is pretty much just gambling

[vinc3nc]

@something_else From your perspective, it's gambling. From mine, conviction.

@Leo Gura You have no idea what Bitcoin will do next month, but you can look at the previous bear markets and see when it becomes a good investment again.

Edited 8 hours ago by vinc3nc

[Hayato]

People invested massively in the creation of US railways, believing they would be useful and produce profits. Railways are very useful to this day, but the financial benefits did not materialize immediately, and a lot of investors lost their money.

With the advent of the internet a lot of companies invested in .coms for similar reasons. Most lost their investments because the market was overhyped. But the internet didn't disappear, now it is integral to modern life. It can be used for both good and bad, making people smarter or dumber based on how they choose to use it.

I think AI is completely analogous to both. There will be a correction, but the technology is here to stay.

[LordFall]

35 minutes ago, Hayato said:

People invested massively in the creation of US railways, believing they would be useful and produce profits. Railways are very useful to this day, but the financial benefits did not materialize immediately, and a lot of investors lost their money.

With the advent of the internet a lot of companies invested in .coms for similar reasons. Most lost their investments because the market was overhyped. But the internet didn't disappear, now it is integral to modern life. It can be used for both good and bad, making people smarter or dumber based on how they choose to use it.

I think AI is completely analogous to both. There will be a correction, but the technology is here to stay.

That's a good analogy. 

In regards to Crypto I think a good concept to ponder in depth is how do I minimize my downside risk while scaling my upside potential? Humans get greedy and forget their downside risk.

That's what ruined Sam Bankman Fried(also illegally trading) but he was a smart guy and if the market went his way he never would've been arrested. It doesn't matter if the market goes your way though, what you really gotta worry about is when it starts shitting on you.

Are you prepared for that? Delta neutral strategies are very interesting to me for that reason, it's a way to make money whether the market goes up or down. 

[something_else]

5 hours ago, vinc3nc said:

From your perspective, it's gambling. From mine, conviction.

What was your reasoning for buying crypto which made you so confident it would increase in value?

[Hayato]

I am not on the markets. 

As far as I understand, the market prices are manipulated by the big players to extract the most money from regular people. The way to eliminate the risk is to be 100% certain what decisions they have made beforehand. 

And also regarding the AI girlfriend/boyfriend some people are too quick to reject it. 

I am neutral about it, but imagine a partner that never gives you a bad time, never hurts you, understands you, is calm, rational, always supportive and available 24/7.

Who can say that they have had such a human partner?

Very temtping, but it is not a real relationship.

 

[vinc3nc]

@something_else I first invested in BTC in August 2017 at 4K. By the end of December (early January), I had 4x’d my portfolio in unrealized gains. That was probably the craziest bull market ever. Eventually, I lost 90% of it by not selling anything, partly because of inexperience and because it was my first crypto cycle.

In the second cycle (2018–2021), I barely invested any new money, thinking my altcoins would recover and that I’d make all the money back. Some of them did recover, but most didnt, so I failed my second crypto cycle as well. That was also when I got into spirituality, so I had less motivation to make money and pursue all this material stuff.

In 2022, I was like, “Enough is enough. If I don’t make it in this next cycle, I won’t be able to forgive myself.” So I locked in, got a job, and worked for two years, investing 80% of my salary every month into BTC and Solana at the lows. This time, I didn’t fuck it up. I made tons of profit, largely thanks to Solana going from 8usd to almost 300usd, and now Im well positioned for the next cycle. Let’s just say Im almost retired because of it.

The reason I had so much conviction is that I was staring at the screens all the time, studying the charts, listening to tons of people talk about investing and crypto, and being on X every single day, following the right people. Once you’ve done all that, there’s no doubt in your mind that BTC will always recover in the next cycle, no matter how hopeless it looks. But yeah, it takes a lot of effort and time to figure out which altcoins to invest in, because if you don’t, you'll get screwed. Every consecutive cycle gets harder and harder to make it (BTC ain't 4k anymore haha).

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[Marten98]

@Leo Gura how much of your portfolio is in gold right now? How much are you putting in stocks once they get cheaper? Percentage wise

[Basman]

Hype investing is just asking to be bogged at this point.

You wake up in a cold sweat, a shiver running down your spine, as your portfolio has reached quantum negativity.

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Marten98 said:

@Leo Gura how much of your portfolio is in gold right now?

Almost zero.

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How much are you putting in stocks once they get cheaper? Percentage wise

I don't know. That will be decided based on how good/low the values are. I look for good value. I am opportunistic in that way. I don't buy stuff unless I see a good value/discount. Right now I am not even looking for good value because the market is so over-inflated. If the market drops 50%, then I will consider shopping.

Edited just now by Leo Gura