The AI crash is impossible - Change my View

[aurum]

4 hours ago, LordFall said:

So what is your definition of intelligence? 

To perceive and act in alignment with truth.

[zurew]

3 hours ago, aurum said:

To perceive and act in alignment with truth.

Given that notion - is the motivation for the claim that higher level intelligence includes better character and more care is something like:

To be intelligent is to care about and to recognize fundamental truths about reality - It is metaphysically true, that reality is fundamentally love and that everything is ultimately one and  being aligned with that truth means to recognize that fact and to live aligned with that. 

So It is basically a completely different way/mode of being, where you process and filter information differently and if you are not in that kind of mode of being , you dont have access to /  cant recognize certain truths.

Edited 12 hours ago by zurew

[Basman]

On 3/5/2026 at 8:37 PM, Lyubov said:

All those layoffs are speculation and because we are in a quiet recession on par with 2008. It’s not because AI has actually replaced anyone. 

AI hype is very convenient when it comes to hypewashing real economic downturns. AI investments itself are being used to hedge against a recession and is single-handedly propping up the US economy in pure investment dollars. It's probably why Trump wants to bail out AI companies when they do inevitably crash, to avoid associating his name with bad times.

[LordFall]

10 hours ago, aurum said:

To perceive and act in alignment with truth.

Then all current AI models fit your definition. You give it a true statement or a basis of information and it can perceive that information and act in alignment to it.

@Scholar Yes those are good points to bring up. I think it's really important to separate consciousness from intelligence because it lies at the crux of the issue and why it should be more interesting to have this conversation on this forum than elsewhere. 

An ant or a bee is conscious but they are not considered intelligence. Sentience is another word to throw in the mix here to make consciousness more nuanced as with the work we do here we aim to increase consciousness and thus separate ourselves from other sentient human beings that exhibit low consciousness.

I think LLMs are already capable of intelligent frameworks and train of thoughts than any human alive today. They are not sentient though and thus need to be infused with our own human consciousness to come up with these intelligent frameworks. I would then consider them a hybrid life form at this point.

So we need to fame this AGI debate in terms of sentience because as me and Joshe pointed out, it doesn't need to cross that threshold to completely revolutionize our civilization. It just needs to start to have widespread commercial application. Which are inevitable in my view.

And even in the view that some of you seem to take that machines cannot fundamentally develop sentience, I would call this a fundamentally foolish take. Especially since we know that sentience is barely understood and if we believe in non-duality then doesn't even come from organic matter it comes from consciousness itself so why wouldn't consciousness make a limited organic lifeform that easily dies that ends up combining the other forms of reality to create a more resilient lifeform based on computing? Is that really such a hard paradigm to believe in? Seems pretty logical if not inevitable to me. 

 

[aurum]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

Then all current AI models fit your definition.

No, not at all.

The LLM is at its core just a prediction algorithm based on its training data. It cannot perceive, self-reflect, reason, generalize principles, generate deeply novel insight, update itself or act informally. It does not even know it exists.

This is why the jagged intelligence phenomena happens. LLMs are just brute force compute. They are not a true intelligence.

[aurum]

8 hours ago, zurew said:

To be intelligent is to care about and to recognize fundamental truths about reality - It is metaphysically true, that reality is fundamentally love and that everything is ultimately one and  being aligned with that truth means to recognize that fact and to live aligned with that. 

Yes that would be a good start. Although labeling intelligence as a binary, i.e true intelligence or not true intelligence, can be a bit misleading.

Really what you have is a spectrum of intelligence. 

Saying “true intelligence” is mostly short-hand for a relatively high intelligence that is more conscious of its unity.

Low levels of intelligence still exist, but will be less conscious of its unity.

[bazera]

38 minutes ago, aurum said:

The LLM is at its core just a prediction algorithm based on its training data. It cannot perceive, self-reflect, reason, generalize principles, generate deeply novel insight, update itself or act informally. It does not even know it exists.

I think DeepMind systems go further than text based prediction by combining neural networks with reinforcement learning and planning algorithms, allowing them to evaluate actions and discover new strategies.

None of these systems are conscious, but as far as I understand they are more than simple prediction engines. I don't just mean chatbots or agents.