The AI crash is impossible - Change my View

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, AION said:

When the first cars came out, there were people who said I rather die than get rid off my horse. I love my horse. A car can never replace my horse. A car can't keep me company, leave farts and make me laugh. Blabla.

It is typical boomer talk. These people said the same thing about smartphone. They would never take a smartphone or 5G and now everybody is on it. We shouldn't take boomers too seriously nor should we try to convince them. Every century has them.

 

Smartphones will be able to do your laundry, cure cancer, and cook you an omelette - all at the same time!

Eliminate the excessive hype, and that’d be fine by me. As said, the tech is very useful and has a lot of potential, but it's not a panacea or miracle cure, despite what some people seem to claim.

Edited 3 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Peo]

5 minutes ago, AION said:

It is typical boomer talk. These people said the same thing about smartphone. They would never take a smartphone or 5G and now everybody is on it. We shouldn't take boomers too seriously nor should we try to convince them. Every century has them.

Gen z generation are now going back to old phones, called dumb phones. 

https://vertu.com/lifestyle/why-is-gen-z-buying-dumb-phones-the-rise-of-digital-minimalism-in-2026/?srsltid=AfmBOooG5nH26oal8boiCqWPJR1DvcJ9BKoZoy80urDzyUVfbU_Wh3BZ

[Leo Gura]

Still waiting on my flying car. Any day now. I am so confident I will take the full cost, convert it into cash, and lay the pile outside my front door for when my flying car arrives.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Beeflamb said:

Any kid on a laptop will be able to create a Hollywood-level film.

I will believe it when I see it.

[AION]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Smartphones will be able to do your laundry, cure cancer, and cook you an omelette - all at the same time!

I remember these dumb as fuck boomers giving everybody lectures that they would never take a smartphone because they have a wired phone. They supposedly didn't need one. They would rather die than have one. And now those same people are on P2P messengers sending retarded emojis to each other.

It is cool to be anti-the-new-thing. I don't need AI blabla. It is just the same script as for smartphones that they supposedly didn't need. And when it is not cool to be anti-the-new-thing they have this weird cognitive disonance and just forget what they said, and switch over like nothing happened.

 

 

1 minute ago, Peo said:

Gen z generation are now going back to old phones, called dumb phones. 

https://vertu.com/lifestyle/why-is-gen-z-buying-dumb-phones-the-rise-of-digital-minimalism-in-2026/?srsltid=AfmBOooG5nH26oal8boiCqWPJR1DvcJ9BKoZoy80urDzyUVfbU_Wh3BZ

It is a fad, I know some porn addicted people who are on such phones. They all switch back to smartphones because if you have a serious job you can't run your life on dumb phones. Those phones are so certain type of special needs people.

[UnbornTao]

13 minutes ago, AION said:

I remember these dumb as fuck boomers giving everybody lectures that they would never take a smartphone because they have a wired phone. They supposedly didn't need one. They would rather die than have one. And now those same people are on P2P messengers sending retarded emojis to each other.

It is cool to be anti-the-new-thing. I don't need AI blabla. It is just the same script as for smartphones that they supposedly didn't need. And when it is not cool to be anti-the-new-thing they have this weird cognitive disonance and just forget what they said, and switch over like nothing happened.

 

I edited my response above to clarify my stance. It's very useful tech, but you need to assess the situation soberly. Without the hype, what is the tech actually doing? What can it do?

I personally use it. I used GPT a while ago to create a JavaScript script to separate a bunch of content from a book into chapters, set up my Linux system with Nvidia drivers, troubleshoot technical problems, and other shenanigans. I like it, and I understand that this is just LLMs.

But take a look at Windows, as a concrete example. Most of the AI implementation is poorly executed and, oftentimes, just unnecessary. Microsoft desperately wants to profit from its investment, pushing the tech down people's throats.

At some point, you'll want to get an appliance, and you'll find it labeled 'AI Toaster'.

Edited 4 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

There is certainly a confromist aspect to rejecting new tech.

This requires a balance between hype vs stubborn rejection.

I use AI to make art and thumbnails. It is cool. But it is not as great as the hype. I made some epic thumbnails for the future, but this is a very narrow application, not real intelligence.

So it's not like I am anti-tech. I jumped into AI images very early. I also used AI to help improve my video outlines.

I like AI as tools, not as people.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

@Leo Gura Flying cars are out now you can buy one today $200K. Not legal to fly over a city or airspace though

 

[VioleGrace]

Guys yes IA will change a lot of things but it sill just erase simple repetitive task, 

To people saying that you are doing filmaking, or video games or that you can replace employe, that depend what you are talking about :

Yes it can replace precarious mindless and repetitive job, yes it can create slop and even do amazing animation, but you don't have the control of the detail needed to replace most of the important job, to make great movies, or great video games

IA is the most intelligent tech created ever yet IA is still a dumb fuck, it will allow some people to have an easier life that's true but i really think the hype and expectations you get from it are exaggerated.  

[Joshe]

One thing a lot of people miss is the fact that Claude Code can now be used to successfully replicate highly complex software over the course of a weekend. This is huge because the bar has been lowered such that this is now a viable survival strategy for at least hundreds of millions. Competition will skyrocket and innovation/novel solutions will come at a pace we've never seen before. 

Also, Claude Code is nowhere near as unreliable as people think. "Vibe coding" will always fail. You have to impose intelligent structure onto the AI - define tight constraints, set architectural rules, have it review, keep track of failures and document them, setup and run test scripts, manage it's context. Aside from that, you have to think like a project manager, know how to use tools like git. If CC goes wrong, it's far more often the case that I mismanaged it rather than it just screwed up. When it makes a mistake, the first thing I ask is "what did I do wrong?". 

If you just crack it open and tell it you want X and if X is complex, then yes, the results won't be great. But if you learn the shit out of the tool first and how to guide it, you can build insanely complex stuff. Those who know how to get the most out of AI will be the ones who benefit the most from this new age, but it feels like the window will close relatively fast, so now is the time to get on it. 

[UnbornTao]

4 minutes ago, Joshe said:

One thing a lot of people miss is the fact that Claude Code can now be used to successfully replicate highly complex software over the course of a weekend. This is huge because the bar has been lowered such that this is now a viable survival strategy for at least hundreds of millions. Competition will skyrocket and innovation/novel solutions will come at a pace we've never seen before. 

Also, Claude Code is nowhere near as unreliable as people think. "Vibe coding" will always fail. You have to impose intelligent structure onto the AI - define tight constraints, set architectural rules, have it review, keep track of failures and document them, setup and run test scripts, manage it's context. Aside from that, you have to think like a project manager, know how to use tools like git. If CC goes wrong, it's far more often the case that I mismanaged it rather than it just screwed up. When it makes a mistake, the first thing I ask is "what did I do wrong?". 

If you just crack it open and tell it you want X and if X is complex, then yes, the results won't be great. But if you learn the shit out of the tool first and how to guide it, you can build insanely complex stuff. Those who know how to get the most out of AI will be the ones who benefit the most from this new age, but it feels like the window will close relatively fast, so now is the time to get on it. 

 

Just a joke. I agree with your take - for the most part.

[Joshe]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

 

Just a joke. I agree with your take - for the most part.

Haha, check this one out: 

 

[AION]

37 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

 

I edited my response above to clarify my stance. It's very useful tech, but you need to assess the situation soberly. Without the hype, what is the tech actually doing? What can it do?

I personally use it. I used GPT a while ago to create a JavaScript script to separate a bunch of content from a book into chapters, set up my Linux system with Nvidia drivers, troubleshoot technical problems, and other shenanigans. I like it, and I understand that this is just LLMs.

But take a look at Windows, as a concrete example. Most of the AI implementation is poorly executed and, oftentimes, just unnecessary. Microsoft desperately wants to profit from its investment, pushing the tech down people's throats.

At some point, you'll want to get an appliance, and you'll find it labeled 'AI Toaster'.

What you guys don't get is that AI integrated humans is already enough to go bananas over. We don't need AI to be like humans. It is about integral AI humans: CYBORGS. It is the mariage between humans and machine that will be more than enough to disrupt everything in the most radical way possible.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by AION

[UnbornTao]

17 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Haha, check this one out: 

 

 

We never got closure on who Google is, but solid video.

[UnbornTao]

25 minutes ago, AION said:

What you guys don't get is that AI integrated humans is already enough to go bananas over. We don't need AI to be like humans. It is about integral AI humans: CYBORGS. It is the mariage between humans and machine that will be more than enough to disrupt everything in the most radical way possible.

 

Some of the robots I've seen can barely stand upright for more than a few minutes. Others are more impressive.

Isn't this more of a hopeful dream or future possibility than a present reality?

Again, not saying there can't be some truth to those claims.

Edited 3 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Natasha Tori Maru]

All the transhumanists coming out of the woodwork 💀

[LordFall]

Also to keep it to a more grounded topic, reminder that 2.3 billion people on earth face moderate food insecurity and hundreds of million are in crisis level or worse.

Industrialization has already freed up most of away from agricultural concerns and the coming waves of agricultural automation will I believe help alleviate global food insecurity. 

 

[CARDOZZO]

It is impossible if they change the entire paradigm to achieve AGI. 

LLMs will not achieve AGI.

 

[bazera]

I've been using AI tools from day 1. The fearmongering that it would replace developers was already there. Since then couple years have passed, and it affected the market in couple ways:

First, decline of junior developer jobs, it's more or less attributed to the advent of AI coding assistents. Recent models from Claude can do recent job at doing fairly complex tasks, but it always needs a human reviewer in my experience. It's just an extension, not replacement for an actual developer.

Second, it doesn't make much sense to write 90% of the code by hand anymore, but that does't mean that AI generated code is ready for production in serious projects, far from it. Again, it accelerates building process.

Also, if you just do junior level tasks at job and nothing else, for example basic frontend work, yeah, Claude + senior combination could actually replace you.

The workflow has changed for sure. Most software industry now uses AI generated code in some ways or another, but that's a double edged sword. 

The reql value of writing code by yourself was that you were intimate familiar with it, you could catch and fix bugs sometimes almost intuitively when you had familiarity with written code like that. But now if you just review Claude generated code to make sure it works or fine-tune it by hand, it does't feel that familiar, which can bite in the ass as months go by and customers register bugs.

Also, it takes a huge experience, knowledge, honed intuition, architectural and systemic skills to notice if what Claude generated is actually good.

The importance of competency hasn't just gone anywhere, it only became more important.

I've used AI to learn new technical subjects, diving deep into technologies much faster that I'd do without it, build projects in weeks instead of months, boosted my performace at job.

Also, I've used AI in other creative ways, created some videos that got thousands of views, used it for self-therapy and personal advice when I was in need which was super helpful, its also very useful for health advice.

AI has so many good uses, we just should't overestimate it's possibilities. 

Even Sam Altman was pushing the idea of AI girlfriend when he posted one word on twitter when voice assistent was released: "her".

It's just ridiculous. 

It's like, when there is some truth in falsehood, the entire falsehood is sold as truth.

When there is legitimate usefulness in AI tools, it makes it easy for these tech-bro CEO's to sell this technology as the cure for all humanity's problems.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Claude Code can now be used to successfully replicate highly complex software over the course of a weekend.

That is not how complex software can be made.