Understanding the Mind

[James123]

Forget about enlightenment for now. Just let's talk like regular human being "without being spiritual or God" (what a bullshit) 😂 

After physical birth, the mind or brain becomes active, and with that brain, you appear, your personality, experience, beliefs, ideas etc... happens. You can say no, brain or mind was always here before birth, so where the fuck was your experiences, ideas, beliefs before physical birth?

So, when body dies, you die, your experiences die, your god dies.

The you forget or lost the mind that forgets it creates you, your experiences, beliefs and ideas etc... 

Then what is left ? 😊 

Reincarnation, God, any experience, nihilism, non duality, no self, neo Adviata, being spiritual, solipsism all is bullshit.

The mind has created you in order to play with you. 😂 

 

[Terell Kirby]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

Just let's talk like regular human being "without being spiritual or God" (what a bullshit) 😂 

Talking like a “regular human being” doesn’t change the fact that you are God -lost in a dream that you refuse to wake up from.

Edited 7 hours ago by Terell Kirby

[Joseph Maynor]

Do you feel like you need to conceive of yourself a certain way first before you create?  That's what I would question.  

[Joshe]

At what point do you stop asking why and what and how? No matter the answers you find, you'll still just be there, perceiving and interpreting the answers, building meaning into them, trying to make them mean something that suits you. 

[Ramasta9]

I had a few experiences of returning to the place i was before birth, once on DMT and few times in other situations, everyone, all my family, everything was there, i remembered all the beings, characters, energies, creatures and what not, but soon as I returned here, i forgot them because it would be too distracting to this physical incarnation and life focus, you'd lose taste and touch and it would not be a fully immersed life.

I also feel the reason why we forget is because we are not meant to remember everything, rather its meant to be a surprise when we depart.  

[James123]

 

Just now, Ramasta9 said:

I had a few experiences of returning to the place i was before birth, once on DMT and few times in other situations, everyone, all my family,

Did DMT affect to your or to soul or brain? 😂 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Joshe said:

At what point do you stop asking why and what and how? No matter the answers you find, you'll still just be there, perceiving and interpreting the answers, building meaning into them, trying to make them mean something that suits you. 

Probably when users have their first cessation - but I haven't heard anyone speak about this here. Maybe I just haven't dug into the history enough. And boy have I done some diggin'  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You do end up watching what those on the path go through (and this is similar for me too) - each new realization is built on the previous. Then the new ground acts as a frame to enable you to destroy/deconstruct previous knowledge. Each new piece of scaffolding you learn is used to erase all previous realisation. Until you experience total groundlessness. Even spirituality needs to be discarded. Leo needs to be discarded. God-consciousness needs to go also, else it becomes another ground for the ego to cling too. Until - cessation. 

[Ramasta9]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

 

Did DMT affect to your or to soul or brain? 😂 

I remember even before i did DMT as a child i had some recalls but they are very faint, i couldn't recall clearly but i just knew i was somewhere before this life, it was very real and there but i couldn't access it. I was always there/here never left but shifted / tuned into this frequency and life on earth.

 

[James123]

26 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Talking like a “regular human being” doesn’t change the fact that you are God -lost in a dream that you refuse to wake up from.

Mind is playing with you 😂 

17 minutes ago, Joshe said:

At what point do you stop asking why and what and how? No matter the answers you find, you'll still just be there, perceiving and interpreting the answers, building meaning into them, trying to make them mean something that suits you. 

Not you, body does. Life is just misinterpretion of you as the body.

Real You is always now, universe comes and goes.

24 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do you feel like you need to conceive of yourself a certain way first before you create?  That's what I would question.  

How can you or be convinced, if convincing is the function of mind? Or how can you even have a belief, understanding or experiences of what you are? 😂 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

I remember even before i did DMT as a child i had some recalls but they are very faint, i couldn't recall clearly but i just knew i was somewhere before this life, it was very real and there but i couldn't access it. I was always there/here never left but shifted / tuned into this frequency and life on earth.

 

There is not some action or non action before this life, just simply Being what you always are, now is same, after body dies will be same. Just misinterpretion as assuming you as body.

 

[kavaris]

Dont yous remember what happens on LsD/Mushroons? Maybe its just me, but all your beliefs are simultaneously and actively throttled and replaced, continuously. Like, you never have a grounding, and thats what makes everything just so damn out of reach, conversations, all of it. The whole shebang. Its all so congested, like this ball of utter confusion, and not being on psychedelics is what it is to forget, its like, we forget how utterly broken the mind is, or how broken it could be. Even my words are in fact a joke next to the exp. of what happens within the breaking. Like thats how it works. Everything is ever so slightly, annoyingly never gonna line up. Thats the sortve leeway we have to give each other, considering how we dont know like, what is going on.

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[James123]

1 minute ago, kavaris said:

Dont yous remember what happens on LsD/Mushroons? Maybe its just me, but all your beliefs are simultaneously and actively throttled and replaced, continuously. Like, you never have a grounding, and thats what makes everything just so damn out of reach, conversations, all of it. The whole shebang. Its all so congested, like this ball of utter confusion, and not being on psychedelics is what it is to forget, its like, we forget how utterly broken tge mind is, or how broken it could be. Even my words are in fact a joke next to the exp. of what happens within the breaking. Like thats how it works. Everything is ever so slightly, annoyingly never gonna line up. Thats the sortve leeway we have to give each other, considering how we dont know like, what is going on.

When you deeply see that taking shit and psychedelics are identical. There is no action required to be something, controller dissolves, and That's only when body becomes one with universe, total connection. 

İt is not something that you force to do, but always as it. 

It’s like you’ve had your finger stuck in a river this whole time, trying to redirect the water or make a point. You’re exhausted from the effort. But all you actually have to do is stop. Take your finger out of the water. Let the river do what it was already doing. 

[VeganAwake]

Yep,

But that subtle "sense of infinite being"........"the witness to it all" ........is also illusory!

That sense of "being the witness to it all" dies with body........no witness here now or after body death 😳 

[Someone here]

@James123 A humbling lesson I've learned by being in this forum for so much years and fucking up A LOT by now is that thinking will never resolve thinking .there is no ultimate answer .no intellectual attempt you sit down and logic it all down to the hippy dippy Absolute Truth will ever lead anywhere. You are just talking .what has talking (whether with yourself or others ) ever done to you ? Lol

The more you learn the more you realize how little you know the more you will be overwhelmed you become by the absurdity of existence the more you suffer .vicious cycling. Have you considered unknowing and just existing ? Like hey man I'm here and I have my daily food and a roof on top of my head and a toilet and a bed

what else matters really? Live ..die ..If there is some ultimate truth it's gonna be revealed sooner or later whether "she" likes it or not .

 

[VeganAwake]

Even the slightest smidgen of feeling like there is an infinite observer is still being completely asleep.

It's ego hanging on for dear life!

[Someone here]

@VeganAwake  you're full of shit if you still alive as a body .

"Nothing matters nothing means anything. nothing is happening no me no you no god no purpose no value no observer ". Wow man ..we are in the presence of a realized sage .😂 

Yet you can't let go of your morning coffee? Get real ,no one. 

[kavaris]

Its like theres a string/thread that we tie our waiste to, and then when we launch out w/ said string/thread still attached, we forget that its only a string keeping us floating from the homebase. The moment we remove the tether, its all types of fkd. Like, \*throw your hands up in the air at that point, cause it may go everywhichway. Of course, i feel like theres alot of fear. Like... Iuno bout yous, but ive had one of those near-deathers. You know, the good ole, you die and then you travel around as a spirit, one of those. And Oh god, the fear you feel when encountering that white light, i mean. It doesnt signify a good thing. Its like "Nope", "i guess ill walk the other way".

Edited 6 hours ago by kavaris

[Someone here]

I'm not saying there is any shoulds or musts regarding whatever you choose to do with your life after you awaken to some deep existential truths ...it's the opposite..it frees you of that and the real fun begins ..but just examine your life ..what good is believing "you're done with it all" and you can't care less if you're being dipped in Lava yet you still can't handle three hours of not snacking on something as an example?  All enlightened people in the past were monks .living minimalistic life.

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[VeganAwake]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

"Nothing matters nothing means anything. nothing is happening no me no you no god no purpose no value no observer "

Yes yes finally!! 🙌 

And only after 3 1/2 years

Hallelujah, Hallelujah, hall-----el----ujahhhhhh 🤣

[James123]

6 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Even the slightest smidgen of feeling like there is an infinite observer is still being completely asleep.

It's ego hanging on for dear life!

No. Sleeping or non sleeping, observing or non observing still mind. 

Stop fucking reading books or watching videos.

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Live ..die ..If there is some ultimate truth it's gonna be revealed sooner or later whether "she" likes it or not .

Absofuckinglutely. But what i am saying try to not talking or talking about it belongs to control, let the body go, if it talks, talks, if it sits, sits.