I disagree with the forum

[Natasha Tori Maru]

• PUA stuff. Most who engage in it are not mature enough to avoid the pitfalls. I get it though, they just want a solution. 
• Topics that are high quality that don't get much interaction or attention. Then Leo posts - and suddenly users start to contemplate and contribute. Many users won't even contribute unless they see Leo post. Sad.
• Attributing general site moderation to just one moderator, when users have no idea which mod actioned what.
• When discussing topics and a user will not drop frame or worldview to try to understand someone else's cosmology or context. Instead they try to ham-fist half of what one user is saying into their current paradigm, thus totally misunderstanding and butchering meaning.
• Talking past each other and sidestepping points to try to avoid being wrong.
• Turning patterns of behaviour (in particular regarding the differences between men/women) into rules.
• Users responding with bias to each other based on previous forum interactions, rather than addressing the points at hand. Responding to the user rather than the point.

[Jacob Morres]

I feel there are way too many topics and not enough focus. Like personal development is sooo wide and I think people end up becoming generalists rather than specialists 

[Jodistrict]

I don’t like spiral dynamics and reducing serious discussions into how colors relate to each other.  I think psychedelics are hugely overrated here and I don’t believe they can awaken anyone. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Also - AI use.

And users not practicing and putting the work into integration. Working on conditioning. Very obvious who is and isn't doing the work. In general there is a HUGE lack of emphasis on this aspect of spirituality.

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Ramasta9]

9 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I dissagree with the usage of psychadelics

I disagree with how powerful psychedelics are so easily suggested and shared and advised on this forum.

In the past there were some serious cases, suicidal people, some lost the ability to sleep for weeks, it was a mess, because they abused powerful substances like 5-Meo which Leo was promoting a lot. I feel this is why there are Shamans in nature who work with different medicines, master them, find the correct doses and approaches with people and guide them and live with them, not something we should share and try guide others online what they buy from the dark net, its extremely immature and risky.

This is one issue i always had with this forum and the over-use of, especially synthetics drugs without a guide and shaman or expert because we are working with extremely powerful stuff nowadays which are not found in nature in the concentrated amounts they are created in a lab today, missing the whole body and plant and guiding mechanism. Isolates are very dangerous because our body recognizes such artificial and synthetic substances as foreign objects and have not adapted to these things.

This is why you can die from synthetic selenium in a pill but eat 1kg of brazil nuts and nothing will happen.

Some people like Leo are fine and experts in these things, but most people can end up in a mental institute or worse.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Ramasta9

[Carl-Richard]

15 hours ago, WonderSeeker said:

What is one thing you personally disagree with most of the forum on?

I don't want to give you one thing (I disagree with the question), so I will give all the things I can think of:

What religion is (hint: you're it), what spirituality is (and how to practice it, and much of the dangers of the practices), how to talk about spirituality (e.g. how scientific can you get, how conceptually engaged can you get, perhaps how precise, concise and unambiguous can you get), what New Age is (hint: you're it), what mysticism is, what solipsism is. Essentially most things worth talking about (except the latter).

Some more: the limitations and scientific status of Spiral Dynamics (it's a Western-only model as far as the empirical data goes, and Turquoise is baloney).

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard what exactly pushes your buttons so much about solipsism? 

[Carl-Richard]

26 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard what exactly pushes your buttons so much about solipsism? 

It's a culturally contaminated term (bunch of materialist philosophy tends to get smuggled into it), and it's a horrifyingly fertile breeding ground for relative-Absolute conflation. These two are also connected.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

19 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's a culturally contaminated term (bunch of materialist philosophy tends to get smuggled into it), and it's a horrifyingly fertile breeding ground for relative-Absolute conflation. Those two are also connected.

1- yes it has negative stigma because it says you're alone in this world . When I was a child I would cry a river whenever my parents leave the house and I have to spend time alone in my bed staring at bare walls waiting for my parents. Loneliness has no reputation of being a good emotions.  Emotions do not determine objective truth though .do you agree? 

2- isn't solipsism like the opposite of materialism in the sense of "naive realism "? 

3- same page on the relative vs absolute blending  . Just because a solipsist thinks the world is his imagination doesn't absolve him from eating and working etc.

4- some people do hold it as a belief or they are entertaining the possibility..like dude there is some weird shit in this reality and glitches in the matrix you encounter multiple times everyday. I don't personally think solipsism is so far fetched.  I mean you go to bed ever night and create a solipsistic seemingly real universe ...I Don't see what's so far fetched to think this experience right here works the same way .

5- if you take a chemical and hallucinate a dragon ..why can't you hallucinate from the start? 

Anyways i don't want to derail the topic

 Just sharing some thoughts .

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Someone here

[Natasha Tori Maru]

14 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's a culturally contaminated term (bunch of materialist philosophy tends to get smuggled into it), and it's a horrifyingly fertile breeding ground for relative-Absolute conflation. Those two are also connected.

Add this to my list 

[Someone here]

@Natasha Tori Maru your list doesn't matter to the universe 

[LambdaDelta]

Can it be two things? I'll list 2 anyway.

First, the way most use psychedelics. Several aspects there. Whether psychedelics can actually produce any kind of real spiritual insight is a separate issue I don't care to debate.  

• Routes of administration: I know for a fact a significant chunk of the reason people get mediocre results is wrong route. Plugging/boofing works as well as it does for Leo due to his abnormal sensitivity, if you simply emulate him, even with an increased dose there's little hope to get close; a qualitative difference is required, stacked together with all the other factors within one's control. No need to go as far as IV — IM, and even SubQ (which diabetics and people in HRT do on a regular basis), already offer a massive potency increase. Pains me every time seeing the waste of substance and trips when people barely scrape a rudimentary Samadhi with 20mg plugged 5MM while I get God-consciousness at 4mg IM. There's definitely stigma around injections as junkie stuff, I had to overcome it myself; nevertheless, they're the preferred method of delivery in hospitals and other clinical contexts for a good reason. That said, without truly knowing what you're doing better stick to non-invasive routes for your own sake. 
• Lack of basic chemistry and neuropharmacology education: continuation of the above. The kind of ignorant shit I regularly witness here is frankly embarrassing and demonstrates unseriousness. Even for many advanced psychonauts that may have deeper awakenings than I do this is often the case. People not understanding the difference between salt and freebase, not knowing what the main classes of psychedelics are, what is agonism/antagonism, which receptors and neurotransmitters are involved, inability to read analytical purity results, citing a research paper and drawing conclusions from the Abstract alone when a table or graph in the middle shows the exact opposite but they're unable to interpret the data...
  I get it, chemistry looks boring and intimidating, but with an extremely practical reason and all the resources available there's no excuse not to learn it. Some of you need good 'ol scientific rigor beaten into you like dogs, same way I once experienced it. Seems harsh, but that's how mastery is achieved. This creates a sort of bell curve meme dynamic where the idiot is totally reckless, the midwit is risk-averse which keeps him safe but also trapped in the mediocrity of his conformist ignorance, and the sage can again afford to be almost as reckless as he likes because he knows the field inside and out. 
• Narrow definition of what 'psychedelics' are: to most this just means tryptamines, sometimes together with lysergamides and phenethylamines; in rare instances it'll also include dissociatives and a couple outliers like weed and Salvia. If people even consider dissociatives, often that just means Ketamine, and why? Because Leo has a video on it. In reality, nearly all psychoactives used in the proper context can serve as valuable tools in spiritual pursuits and daily life. I successfully integrate stimulants, antipsychotics, anticholinergics, sleep & hypertension meds, and more into my toolbox. 
• Not appreciating the power of synthetics: if you enjoy growing weed or mushrooms as a hobby, that's cool. Otherwise this is pure nonsense. Why are you choking down on shrooms when there's 4-AcO-DMT? Why are you talking about weed strains when for a couple hundred dollars you can create a lifetime supply of any kind of blend you desire with THCA + terpenes + minor cannabinoids, like the guy that recently replicated the Coca-Cola syrup recipe? Why are you smoking Salvia, the most potent psychedelic on Earth, in a disgusting extract without the faintest idea of the dose you're taking when you could extract Salvinorin A crystal? Why take extracted DMT when there's synthetic DMT? (fine, synthetic DMT is pretty rare to come by). Conformity, laziness, and a deluded idea of what 'natural' is. 
• Miscellaneous: other sloppiness — misunderstanding tolerance, not knowing how to prepare a volumetric solution and weigh the substance, not even realizing the same substance can have wildly different weight for equal volume, not taking measures to properly store substances to minimize degradation, not knowing where to source, not following regulations to stock up on a particular substance you like before it gets banned or dies out in obscurity, not knowing how to extract/convert/purify substances, imbalanced approach to set & setting; ain't enough time in the world to list it all. 

This and more I intend to correct by writing the most comprehensive guide to psychoactives to date, should anyone be willing to lend an ear. The goal is not to get everyone to do things my way, but create a resource for people to educate themselves and branch out into personalized methods. 


Now for a rift that cannot be corrected through any means — excessive focus on dating & sex. I see various survival distractions, but none as potent and prevalent as this. I acknowledged in another post that the only reason I can so easily brush this aside is because I'm asexual, for others this is a matter of genuine import. And yet it still doesn't quite compute — are normal (by this place's standards) people actually this horny? That's not rhetorical, perhaps someone would be so kind as to provide an answer. If so, I sure am glad to be bereft of the whole capacity to begin with. Through not caring about chicken feed one can get much better goodies such as an orgy with imaginary alien babes, or better yet an endless self-referential loop of mindfucks within God's Mind. Which is not to say you can't get both kinds, it's simply a question of time and effort allocated. 

[LambdaDelta]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Topics that are high quality that don't get much interaction or attention. Then Leo posts - and suddenly users start to contemplate and contribute. Many users won't even contribute unless they see Leo post. Sad.

A mod friend recently said that one of the perks of being a mod is people see the green nametag and engage more actively/respectfully with your topic. To which I countered that this sort of people you don't even want clicking on your threads; works as a perfect filter for some of the grossest bias.  

[Joshe]

10 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

This and more I intend to correct by writing the most comprehensive guide to psychoactives to date.

I'd be very interested. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

To which I countered that this sort of people you don't even want clicking on your threads; works as a perfect filter for some of the grossest bias.  

Precisely!

[Joseph Maynor]

I'm concerned about the relative and the Absolute being seen as a strict duality.  This is very common in spirituality, so it's not a criticism.  It's expected.

[LambdaDelta]

5 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I'd be very interested. 

Nice. There's a couple of experiments still pending to conduct, after which the biggest hurdles are time and finding a suitable hosting platform with sufficiently advanced formatting that also allows for easy copying, editing, and redistribution; probably Obsidian in some shape or form. On the flip side, I can write almost entirely from memory at this point, like Leo with his book, though I still have to collect tons of links, images, scripts, etc. & generate my own + double-check everything for accuracy (despite the intro explicitly instructing to personally verify all information). 

[Joshe]

12 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Nice. There's a couple of experiments still pending to conduct, after which the biggest hurdles are time and finding a suitable hosting platform with sufficiently advanced formatting that also allows for easy copying, editing, and redistribution; probably Obsidian in some shape or form. On the flip side, I can write almost entirely from memory at this point, like Leo with his book, though I still have to collect tons of links, images, scripts, etc. & generate my own + double-check everything for accuracy (despite the intro explicitly instructing to personally verify all information). 

Do you already have writing in your own formatting and you'll need a system for easily porting it over? It's actually funny, I'm solving markdown formatting to HTML as we speak. 

If you're starting from scratch, Obsidian actually isn't a bad idea because they have a "publish" tier, which basically let's you publish your entire vault online and it's all converted to HTML so each note is rendered as a proper HTML page. Probably the simplest. But if you already have a ton of writing you need help programmatically formatting, I could help with that. Just shout. 

And let me know if you want to discuss hosting options. I'm thinking Obsidian Publish would probably suit you very well, as it's a hosting and content management platform in one. The only prerequisite is knowing Markdown, which is simple.

Edited 2 hours ago by Joshe

[Someone here]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm concerned about the relative and the Absolute being seen as a strict duality.  This is very common in spirituality, so it's not a criticism.  It's expected.

 

Of course there is no such thing as relative or Absolute. If solipsism is true then its true .Carl-Richard seems to have issue with the escapism and spiritual bypassing of adopting solipsism as a worldview . I mean these are two separate issues .if it's true then it's true the It's true lol..what has making you depressed or impractical has to do with it's truth value or lack thereof? 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

3- same page on the relative vs absolute blending  . Just because a solipsist thinks the world is his imagination doesn't absolve him from eating and working etc.

 

59 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Of course there is no such thing as relative or Absolute. If solipsism is true then its true .Carl-Richard seems to have issue with the escapism and spiritual bypassing of adopting solipsism as a worldview . I mean these are two separate issues .if it's true then it's true the It's true lol..what has making you depressed or impractical has to do with it's truth value or lack thereof? 

The issue is thinking your puppet ego self and its visual apparatus (and other bio-engraved sensory channels) is Absolute. It's for those people the relative-Absolute distinction serves a function. Never have I encountered a solipsist on the forum who used it to spiritually bypass (unless you did that once, but I think the problem was much larger).

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard