Leo's DemystifySci Podcast Appearance

[Miguel1]

Not answering anything or anyone particular but the whole sequence going on:

1. You can disagree with people here, and it is very encouraged to do so whenever there is something you disagree with. But, do it with respect. And with self-reflection and self-awareness.

2. I am not questioning whether Leo hasn’t healed his trauma or not. I am questioning how doesn’t a kid being molested not experince it as a traumatic event, however small — whether Trauma or trauma.

[r0ckyreed]

Trying to outsmart Leo is a self-deception. It’s an ego game. The God game is trying to outsmart yourself. Outwit the Devil that you are. Trying to outsmart Leo is like arguing with a character in your dream thinking it will wake you up. The more you argue with the dream, the deeper you sleep within it. Most things in the dream is a distraction from questioning the Dreamer. However, something’s in the Dream can be helpful in waking you up. The job is distinguishing the two.

Edited 4 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Tetrapeter]

Such Podcasts are worth much much more than simple teaching videos... both is good.. but its good to see ppl who are sceptical... 

[Tetrapeter]

the podcast is like a monologue of mine. you leo make bold claims and the other two are my rational mind. its really cool to watch this kind of conversation... i learned sooo much

its nice to see that leo is really a human beeing and is a good guy to hang around with. i really love the podcast <3

Edited 3 hours ago by Tetrapeter

[gettoefl]

4 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Not answering anything or anyone particular but the whole sequence going on:

1. You can disagree with people here, and it is very encouraged to do so whenever there is something you disagree with. But, do it with respect. And with self-reflection and self-awareness.

2. I am not questioning whether Leo hasn’t healed his trauma or not. I am questioning how doesn’t a kid being molested not experince it as a traumatic event, however small — whether Trauma or trauma.

My two cents. There are two kinds of “bad” in life:

1. The bad you forgive

• If you remember it and forgive it: The charge gradually fades. In time, you may even forget, because it no longer has any emotional claws.
• If you had forgotten it and then later forgive it (when it surfaces): The hidden pattern loses all power. What once shaped you unconsciously no longer runs your life. Forgiveness is what dissolves the hold.

2. The bad you don’t forgive

• If you remember it and don’t forgive it: The pain stays alive. It quietly taints your interpretations, reactions, and relationships.
• If you forget it but don’t forgive it: It doesn’t disappear. Instead it goes underground. It manifests as triggers, fears, defensiveness, or repeated patterns you don’t fully understand. Unforgiven pain doesn’t vanish. It waits and pounces unconsciously.

If forgiving seems like an impossibility, real support such as therapy and honest dialogue, can help loosen what feels fixed. Without releasing resentment, lasting peace is very hard to access. Forgiveness frees you, not the other person. They still live with the consequences and if need be, pay the price that society demands. Forgiveness is what gets you out of jail not them.

edit: Forgiveness is not an action, it is a thought. You let go the idea you are a victim who was harmed and is damaged.

Edited 2 hours ago by gettoefl

[Terell Kirby]

3 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

I am not questioning whether Leo hasn’t healed his trauma or not. I am questioning how doesn’t a kid being molested not experince it as a traumatic event, however small — whether Trauma or trauma.

Challenging conventional human notions of trauma and its significance is threatening to a lot of folks because their entire identity is attached to it.

Clinging to one’s trauma provides a comforting narrative to why things are they way they are. But alas, Leo’s work is about deconstructing all finite identities we hold as true-including that of a human with a past that included traumatic events.

Although trauma does have very real psychological and physiological effects, it is largely conceptual in the way the human mind holds it. If we rid of those concepts, what we have is nothing-which can be puzzling.

[Miguel1]

Again, guys..

Healing trauma is not the problem here.

How is this so hard to get what I am asking about?

We truly focus on things that we want to focus on..

[Terell Kirby]

48 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

How is this so hard to get what I am asking about?

What is it that you feel misunderstood about?

[LambdaDelta]

6 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

I am questioning how doesn’t a kid being molested not experince it as a traumatic event, however small — whether Trauma or trauma.

My perspective is quite unique, but can perhaps provide some insight. A lot comes down simply to introversion vs. extraversion — you're strongly the latter if I recall. Same way as it's impossible for me to cognize how could someone be so social and not get exhausted, you may also underestimate the levels of introversion out there. Then there's further genetic shenanigans that take it to even higher extremes. 

As most other kids I experienced conventionally traumatic things here and there — couple instances of family verbally abusing, hitting me & otherwise not providing love, getting constantly bullied at school, and so on. Some of those had a minor impact that I then healed, but the vast majority were an "in one ear and out the other" sort of thing.
I wasn't a child at that point, but a few years ago I went to Saudi Arabia and in a perfume shop at the local market the owner started groping me and following me around. It was uncomfortable, but that's about the level it raised to. My first priority wasn't fleeing, it was contemplating why isn't he afraid of doing this in such a strictly homophobic country, what does it tell us about repressing urges, and yada yada; didn't even care enough to get myself out of the situation first before thinking all that through. Exactly like the strawman Leo likes to make of a scientist that reasons about animal sounds in the forest and gets killed by a bear. In this regard I'm way more autistic than Leo, but Leo is still extremely autistic (in a very loose application of the term). When I sometimes have to remove an ingrown toenail, I'm too busy thinking about which lever angle of the metal filing tool will work best or why does hydrogen peroxide cause blood to bubble and ethanol doesn't instead of feeling the intense pain.
That's the level of dissociation an INTP can have. There's perks and downsides to it, but I wouldn't have it any other way. This may be called a defense mechanism, and in a sense it is, but those are usually developed, not something you're born with. I'm perfectly comfortable talking about those things in great detail since it's just a memory and nothing of it remains in my direct experience. 

I started with perspective and that's basically the TLDR — if you don't perceive it as traumatic, it won't be. But for more profound reasons than simply calling everything a concept Ralston-style.

Moreover, I recently became aware that not only are my dopaminergic and serotonergic systems out of whack, so are the oxytocin/opioid ones. I don't feel much of anything when being hugged, receiving social approval and the like; and stuff like O-DSMT and heroin just makes me sick instead of the warm euphoria they're supposed to induce. 

That's all one interpretation, obviously I can't speak for how exactly it went for Leo, but some part of it definitely plays a role. 

Edited 26 minutes ago by LambdaDelta

[Miguel1]

@LambdaDelta Okay, perhaps I am taking the word ’molested’ to mean much more serious than it is, or than it is meant here.

Someone calling me names or light bullying wont be a traumatic event for me, I can understand that.