Leo's DemystifySci Podcast Appearance

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

However, if something traumatic happened to someone, it's reasonable to ask how that affected their worldview

I'm not a toddler to not understand this .you got this one and everyone gets this cuz that's what society tells you to do.

I'm offering the other perspective..can you understand that there is no such thing as traumatic in "actuality " ?

There was a huge crime that happened back in 2007 in America (not sure but I took it from Sam Harris). Two criminals robbed a house and killed two little girls and stole all the money and then tied their parents to the bed and burned them alive and the entire house . The criminals weren't arrested because they both committed suicide soon after the incident because probably they went "okay why on earth should anyone do that "?. They actually wrote a suicide note saying that they regret what they did . Can you tell me what did you understand from this story ?

[Someone here]

Sorry if I'm derailing the thread or getting too excited lol.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

I'm not a toddler to not understand this .you got this one and everyone gets this cuz that's what society tells you to do.

I'm offering the other perspective..can you understand that there is no such thing as traumatic in "actuality " ?

There was a huge crime that happened back in 2007 in America (not sure but I took it from Sam Harris). Two criminals robbed a house and killed two little girls and stole all the money and then tied their parents to the bed and burned them alive and the entire house . The criminals weren't arrested because they both committed suicide soon after the incident because probably they went "okay why on earth should anyone do that "?. They actually wrote a suicide note saying that they regret what they did . Can you tell me what did you understand from this story ?

I'm not saying you're wrong.  But it seems to fit a pattern too.  Psychology is not entirely BS.

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm not saying you're wrong.  But it seems to fit a pattern too.  Psychology is not entirely BS.

I'm not saying you are saying I'm wrong or that psychology is BS . 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Two people can endure the same traumatic experience, but those two people will not necessarily end up with pathological trauma. One can walk away severely affected, while the other not.

I endured some extreme trauma as a young adult. Assault, mental and physical. My sister/brothers endured similar.

I did not walk away with significant trauma from the event - but one brother and my sister have been affected pathologically to this day. 20 years later.

Same event, one/two year age gap. 

Significantly different psychological reactions.

[Leo Gura]

@Natasha Tori Maru Some are rubber, some are glue. Bounces off me and sticks to you

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Some are rubber, some are glue. Bounces off me and sticks to you

I haven't heard this one

Ruthlessly poaching this phrase, if you do not mind.

I normally roll with ' Like water on Teflon, baby'

[r0ckyreed]

I am an EMDR Therapist and find trauma fascinating. Trauma is sneaky. It doesn’t have to necessarily bother you. The mind is very clever in suppression and dissociation. The key is whether your today is being negatively influenced by the past. Trauma affects our choices, attraction, cognition, epistemology/philosophy, communication skills, attachment styles, etc. It doesn’t have to cause distress to be trauma. This is why not all people with a trauma history have PTSD. This is the distinction. It is possible to go through something traumatic and it not having or no longer negatively impacting your today.

Edited 1 hour ago by r0ckyreed

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

 

I am an EMDR Therapist

 

Holy cow I wasn’t expecting that!

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

It is possible to go through something traumatic and it not having or no longer negatively impacting your today.

They say if you play the game Tetris for 7 minutes after you've experienced trauma, your trauma will be significantly reduced. I believe this. It's largely a matter of how the mind is given opportunity to amplify the experience, whether that be through self-rumination, cultural narrative, or whatever. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Joshe

[Joshe]

It's reminds me of watching a child who would otherwise be fine, start to cry because the adults think it just experienced something that warrants crying, and the adults basically manifest the crying. lol 

I've told my sister, no no, don't act like he should be crying now, because then he will. And of course, she acts like he should be, then he does. 

[r0ckyreed]

Just now, Joshe said:

They say if you play the game Tetris for 7 minutes after you've experienced trauma, your trauma will be significantly reduced. I believe this. It's largely a matter of how the mind is given opportunity to amplify the experience, whether that be through self-rumination, cultural narrative, or whatever. 

Thats right. You’re taxing your working memory, which allows the brain to process the trauma. This is how EMDR works. Tax the working memory and multiple brief exposure therapy like flipping back and worth through the pages of a book until the distress goes down. Tetris alone is a distraction technique, which is good to deal with uncontrollable emotions, but it isn’t quite enough to fully process trauma. It’s a cope.

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I haven't heard this one

Really? You do live down-under 

[Joshe]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Really? You do live down-under 

😂I was wondering how tf have you never heard of that? Funny how that one didn't make it to the aussies. Surely not. Surely she knows. 

[Joshe]

7 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Tetris alone is a distraction technique, which is good to deal with uncontrollable emotions, but it isn’t quite enough to fully process trauma. It’s a cope.

Do you know of any techniques that would be better than Tetris right after trauma?

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Surely she knows. 

Never underestimate an Aussie.

[Joshe]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Never underestimate an Aussie.

😂

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe @Leo Gura

I a nub >.<

Americans have the better idioms: Kneehigh to a grasshopper, piece of cake, break a leg, under the weather, spill the beans, better late than never, speak of the devil, bite the bullet etc

Australians, being the criminal colony we are, have busted variations: Flat out like a lizard drinking, as mad as a cut snake, too right, couldn't organise a piss up at a brewery, spit the dummy, dog's breakfast, pull your head in, give it a burl, a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock, on a good wicket, up the duff etc

[Joshe]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Australians, being the criminal colony we are, have busted variations: Flat out like a lizard drinking, as mad as a cut snake, too right, couldn't organise a piss up at a brewery, spit the dummy, dog's breakfast, pull your head in, give it a burl, a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock, on a good wicket, up the duff etc

I'll be honest - the only one I know of these is "too right", lol. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Joshe said:

I'll be honest - the only one I know of these is "too right", lol. 

Wow, WHAT! 

Not even 'up the duff" ?

(preggers)