The Harshest Truth of Spiritual Development

[cetus]

7 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

infinite flowers within a flower 

 Can't help but to notice the Fibonacci Sequence going on here too.  Perhaps a correlation with infinity?

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

39 minutes ago, cetus said:

Can't help but to notice the Fibonacci Sequence going on here too.  Perhaps a correlation with infinity?

Hell yeah!

[Joseph Maynor]

I guess it comes down to: Do we have access to Truth or not?  If not, then that's a kind of Truth too.  At least it's expressed that way because people take it seriously.  But either way -- we all seem to have a need for a kind of Foundation or a desire for one, otherwise, why are we arguing about it? 

There would be no need to be right.  We would simply realize it's a foolish endeavor at bottom, and move on without it. 

Most people seem to desire and even claim to have a sense of Truth, even if they try really hard to conceal this by being indirect or coy or even humorous.  They still have a stake in Truth and try to make points.  Even the no separate self -- there is nothing happening -- people.

[Rafael Thundercat]

I confess I am a bootlicker. I came here just to look for @Leo Gura comment on this thread. And I did not find it. Ha

[Joseph Maynor]

8 hours ago, Davino said:

But what if that were the truth?

That some truths are unfindable because you're a human and not an alien or a spider or a fifth dimensional being or who knows what.

Contemplate you'll never know how it feels like to be a woman, have breasts, pussy, the period, being pregnant, giving birth, giving milk to your child... You'll absolutely never know the inner truths of that, unless maybe you die from this form and somehow be in another form with other limitations.

Yes because part of Truth includes the finite and we all embody the finite which is ego.  You can't have a finite perspective that is Infinite.  The finite is joined with the Infinite.  We experience both Infinity and the finite.

[theleelajoker]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I didn't, Just his main ideas by curiosity . I'm not saying what he says is false, I'm saying it has no relation to enlightenment. 

It's very possible, but it's just something that happens and we cant explain, like quantum physics 100 years ago. Maybe the structure of reality is very complex and interconnected and what we understand is just the surface. 

What is an awakening?

 

It's very simple. It's about dissolving the barrier that keeps you separate. Structurally, we are separate individuals; in essence, ontologically, we are reality. The point is to transcend the barriers that define you as an individual and be aware of yourself as reality.

 Reality isn't something defined, because if it were, it would be an individual. If it were God or consciousness, for example. It's nothing that can be named; as the Tao says, it is the totality. It's not thinkable; you can only be it. That's the only awakening or enlightenment, not knowing that everything is consciousness, or that you are god. Those are forms that the mind creates. The mind can create extremely precise and persuasive forms. 

RE understanding - yes I believe we are only touching the surface of something incredibly complex. 

RE awakening - my personal awakening was 1) the realization of what I call transpersonal consciousness, or universal mind. Recognizing this transpersonal and interconnectedness in other humans, in interactions. 2) It was also the experience of "I am not this body", experiencing something alive in my that seemed to exist outside of my physical organism. 3) Rather than "who am I?" I am asking "what am I?"

RE dissolving barriers: yes, I also think that is part of it. But also is developing your individuality and fully living your role, your separation at the same time. Other than that I agree that words are just approximations and that whatever I say, think, write will fall short of the experience. 

[Vercingetorix]

That's why it's important that the Journey focuses on the Journey, not the destination.

And anyhow, the Article describes awakening as if it is an achievement, something in the future. But It's always Here, Now. 
It's about seeing the truth of the present moment - reality is made out of flickering sensations that are temporary, do not satisfy and don't have a self.