The Harshest Truth of Spiritual Development

[Davino]

(AI transcribed post from an audio contemplation)

 

There is a truth about spiritual development that very few are willing to articulate plainly.

 

Many people enter the spiritual path with an implicit assumption: that if they do everything correctly — meditate diligently, attend long retreats, practice yoga rigorously, explore psychedelics responsibly, dedicate years to contemplation and inquiry, become a full time monk — they will eventually reach the highest states of consciousness. They assume the path is meritocratic and universally attainable at its summit.

 

But after years of observation and dialogue with serious practitioners, a difficult conclusion emerges:

 

It is extraordinarily rare to reach the highest states of consciousness — whether as stable baseline realizations or as insane peak states — unless one possesses exceptional, perhaps extreme, innate endowment.

 

In blunt terms: unless one is, in that domain, a genetic outlier.

 

The Spiritual Domain Is Not Exempt

 

We accept biological inequality in nearly every other domain without protest.

 

Consider athletics.

 

No matter how disciplined you are, no matter how optimized your training, nutrition, recovery, or psychology, you will not outrun Usain Bolt. The gap is not merely effort-based; it is structural. It is encoded in muscle fiber composition, tendon elasticity, neural firing rates, biomechanics — variables largely determined before conscious striving begins.

 

The same applies in mathematics, music, physics, or art. When one studies the true geniuses — those who revolutionize a field — one finds not merely diligence but profound structural asymmetry: cognitive architecture, perceptual sensitivity, creative intuition, memory bandwidth, abstraction capacity...

 

Why, then, should spirituality and mysticism be exempt?

 

 

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The Myth of Equal Attainability

 

Many practitioners believe they can reach the level of Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ, or Muhammad if only they practice hard and intelligently enough.

 

But consider what is being claimed.

 

To reach (definition of terms excluded):

 

Serious baseline Awareness 

 

Peak Awakenings into a facet of Awakening 

 

Peak Awakenings into many facets and in conjunction

 

Holistic Awakenings across all facets.

 

Infinity Consciousness 

 

Realization of infinities for Infinity

 

Breakthrough into God-consciousness and God-Mode

 

And from there, further God Facet and Infinity Awakenings 

 

Even a single authentic awakening of those is already a huge blessing.

A few partial awakenings on limited facets are already extremely rare.

Totalized realization across all axes? That is vanishingly rare. Imagine to realise Infinity and God...

 

And yet many assume it is simply a matter of human mechanical effort.

 

 

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The Uncomfortable Implication

 

This conclusion is discouraging.

 

It suggests that many sincere practitioners — even those dedicating thousands of hours to meditation, retreats, yoga, inquiry, psychedelics — may never reach the highest conceivable states in comparison with other gifted individuals.

 

Not because they failed.

 

But because the organism/manifestation has limits.

 

Genetic limits. Neurological limits. Structural limits.

 

The same way no amount of training will turn a very good runner into an Olympic record holder, the gap is quantum, no amount of practice may turn an average nervous system into a vehicle for absolute consciousness, an avatar.

 

Let me ground this in something concrete.

Recently, I spoke with someone who, by any reasonable metric, could be called a spiritual prodigy — what I've been calling a “genetic freak.” He described having solipsistic awakenings at the age of two. At two! Before doctrine. Before philosophy. Before influence. Before language was fully formed.

Throughout childhood and adolescence, he did not need to be introduced to spirituality. He did not “discover” it. He was already living it. He would wake up in the middle of the night to meditate. To pray. To contemplate God. Not because a teacher instructed him. Not because a book inspired him. Not because a forum persuaded him.

Because it was intrinsic.

That difference matters.

 

The Metric of Origin

One of the simplest diagnostics you propose is this:

If spirituality came to you from the outside — from a teacher, from religion, from philosophy, from a figure like Leo Gura, from a book, from psychedelics — then by definition, it was not native to your earliest structure of consciousness.

If, from the very first moment of self-awareness, your primary orientation was toward truth, God, metaphysics, infinity — then something structurally unusual was present from the beginning.

This is not about superiority. It is about origin and understanding the truth.

Some people discover the path.

Others are the path from the moment awareness crystallizes.

That distinction is not trivial...

 

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The Deeper Paradox

 

And yet, paradoxically, this truth does not invalidate practice.

 

It reframes it.

 

Spiritual work may not be about reaching the maximal conceivable state. It may not be about becoming a once-in-history outlier of consciousness. It may instead be about:

Doing your absolute best and bending as much as possible all limitations in the way for higher and more complete consciousness (or whatever your spiritual goals or approach may be)

 

In fact, one might argue that the mature stage of spiritual development includes accepting limits — including the limits of genetics, embodiment, and this particular manifestation.

 

There may be states of consciousness that are simply inaccessible to this organism.

 

And that, too, is part of the truth.

 

 

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End

Don't fall into false equivalence. Some are born already touching the sky — their first breath a question about God, their childhood a meditation, their nervous system intrinsically tuned to infinity. Others must carve their way upward through discipline, study, psychedelics, years of relentless refinement — and still may not reach Holistic Awakenings, Infinite Consciousness or God.

This is the structure of reality. Consciousness, like every domain of existence, expresses itself through gradients of capacity. There are prodigies of spirit just as there are prodigies of mind and body. To deny this is sentimentality. To resent it is immaturity.

 

Your task was never to become the best but to be your best — completely, honestly, without self-deception — whether it rises ten feet or touches the infinite sky.

And that, too as for all Infinity, is God.

I'll leave with this quote: "Even when you struggle to realise God, you're God"

[LambdaDelta]

A+ for content, C for formatting 

But in seriousness, a fantastic summation with an encouraging conclusion. These blessings ain't free, they carry a serious responsibility and heavy duty to the machinery of Consciousness. God can strip them away or grant insane additional powers at a moment's notice, depending on how you behave. And yet the joy lies in voluntarily executing the tasks given to you no matter the cost; the highest point of spiritual mastery is walking through hell with a smile as you realize you're the one who wrote the entire codebase. 

Reminded me of this old post of mine (watch the movie btw, I'm sure you'll love it)

 

[aurum]

That's why we have drugs.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

I think you have a point that genetics are important. But it’s not about being good at a meditation technique or something like that— it’s about truth orientation. That’s what I’ve discovered so far at least. If you’re interested in Actualized.org, that’s already an indicator that you’re probably gifted in terms of care for truth, metaphysical intuition, etc. 

And what @aurum said

[Davino]

12 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

A+ for content, C for formatting 

Thanks

I wish I had more time to share all my insights with the quality they deserve

12 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

But in seriousness, a fantastic summation with an encouraging conclusion. These blessings ain't free, they carry a serious responsibility and heavy duty to the machinery of Consciousness. God can strip them away or grant insane additional powers at a moment's notice, depending on how you behave. And yet the joy lies in voluntarily executing the tasks given to you no matter the cost; the highest point of spiritual mastery is walking through hell with a smile as you realize you're the one who wrote the entire codebase. 

Of course, everything is at the mercy of God

As it has been given it can be taken away

[Davino]

12 hours ago, aurum said:

That's why we have drugs.

No amount of steroids will make you run faster than Usain Bolt with steroids

But certainly much faster than what you could do by any other means 

[Davino]

12 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

I think you have a point that genetics are important. But it’s not about being good at a meditation technique or something like that— it’s about truth orientation. That’s what I’ve discovered so far at least. If you’re interested in Actualized.org, that’s already an indicator that you’re probably gifted in terms of care for truth, metaphysical intuition, etc. 

It's already a superb indicator 

There's different degrees of truth orientation and predisposition

You can reach to inimaginable levels by will, but there are many levels to this game and some are reserved and it's a harsh truth 

I know I'm not gonna reach the best baseline consciousness state to ever exist, I'm just not spiritually wired for that. And I gotta bite that bullet. In a way you gotta find your zone of excellence within spirituality, in my case it's peak consciousness and that's what I like and I'm fulfilled being.

[gettoefl]

Stop comparing and stop complaining. Everyone is on their way home. When it is, is up to you. Stop looking at others except as a means of getting home. Just a heads up that if you exclude one person even an Epstein you will remain here spinning your wheels. Love don't compare. We are the same.

[Breakingthewall]

It's a matter of will. If the will is absolute, the obstacles fall away. Will of absolute freedom, absolute truth, absolute openess. 

The question would be: is your will enough to leave everything? Even god,  permanence, consciousness? It's enough to open yourself to real death without greed? If the question is really yes, you are honest enough to cross the border. But if you are looking for something divine, wonderful, better, then you will get delusions. 

Many are called, but few are chosen. If even a trace of greed exists, that trace will be an insurmountable barrier. It will lead you down paths of madness where you will wander in circles, in mystic circles believing delusions. The heart must be open, the mind be integral. If not, the door will be armored. 

[theleelajoker]

"It is extraordinarily rare to reach the highest states of consciousness — whether as stable baseline realizations or as insane peak states — unless one possesses exceptional, perhaps extreme, innate endowment"

I question this. I don't see any criteria, any evidence, any arguments. You just say it's like this, but you present NO, ZERO indicator in how to measure this "genetic endowment". Do you have a machine at home where you put people into, then the machine spits out "person A has 6538.86 points of endowment, and person N has only 3492.54?"

Even assuming that you have this machine, how does it work? And how can you know that this endowment is constant and not able to change?

Everything is connected, interrelated, all is one consciousness and still you say there's an individual component in an individual that fixates the seemingly most interrelated thing that exists, consciousness itself?

All is see is just a lot of speculation. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Davino]

@theleelajoker Prove me that everyone can reach the States of Consciousness I'm talking about.

I just don't buy it, I've seen people doing everything right and they haven't reached. I've seen people just getting there by virtue of being born. It's simply denial to not see this truth.

All the teachers and mystics you follow are extremely gifted, that's the reason why so few of their students reach even close to their spiritual heights. If what you say where to be true, then everyone would reach and we know this is not the case. You've been sold a fantasy and in case you're a genetic freak, which could probably be, then you seriously seriously underestimate how much you owe to the starting position you were given.

[theleelajoker]

47 minutes ago, Davino said:

@theleelajoker Prove me that everyone can reach the States of Consciousness I'm talking about.

I just don't buy it, I've seen people doing everything right and they haven't reached. I've seen people just getting there by virtue of being born. It's simply denial to not see this truth.

All the teachers and mystics you follow are extremely gifted, that's the reason why so few of their students reach even close to their spiritual heights. If what you say where to be true, then everyone would reach and we know this is not the case. You've been sold a fantasy and in case you're a genetic freak, which could probably be, then you seriously seriously underestimate how much you owe to the starting position you were given.

I was a bit harsh, sorry for that. I had a long day and long night and am tired.

The thing is, how you know that people are doing things right? What works for A, or for 60,70,80....% of people might not work (the same way) for someone else.

You have assumptions, e.g. you knowing what's right. You can't really now that, can you? Also, consciousness is changing constantly, so what can we really know what's the right path? Maybe it's 100% individual? Who knows.

I don't need to prove anything. I'm not saying "it's like that or this". I don't know, and I haven't seen convincing evidence that ANYONE knows or that it's even possible to know.

[Davino]

51 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

I was a bit harsh, sorry for that. I had a long day and long night and am tired.

It's okey brother, thanks for the honesty. Hope you get a good night's sleep today, you deserve it

52 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

The thing is, how you know that people are doing things right? What works for A, or for 60,70,80....% of people might not work (the same way) for someone else.

There are certain principles, but even speaking generally there are people who've tried many meditation and yoga techniques and after many experimentation took the ones that worked for them and practiced 8h+ every day, trying new practices, everything they could find under the sun, done a shit tone of psychedelics as well but they don't ever reach the Awakening Leo or other mystics talk about. This is the life story of million of seekers in human history. The proof is that there's only one christ, a thousand Christian saints and billions of Christian over the centuries. I've seen very devoted hard-working spiritual people die without a proper awakening, I was having them when I was a kid spontaneously, it's such an injustice. Gifted spiritual people don't know what they have till they talk to many sincere people along the path and then they find a few genetic freaks and see, okay now that makes sense. 

So the methodology I have for you is talk with as many spiritual people you can via call so you can see your faces and interact with hundreds of people, ask them about their life, their path. You'll see the asymmetry one effortlessly gets into Infinity consciousness others took them decades but they reached, others never and heavily frustrated for they know and intuit the higher truths and Awakenings.

[Joseph Maynor]

I find it really odd that someone could convince me that Truth is something that I cannot find.