Democrats should run a scorched-earth message on the media environment!

[Hardkill]

With the Democratic aligned media environment having become so outgunned by both the right-wing media and the legacy media, the entire Democratic party should do a major war on misinformation.

They should constantly call out the mainstream media for their bothsideism and excoriate Fox News and every right-wing media outlet out there for all their lies and devilry.

Every Democratic candidate for every election should say that the right-wing media has always been out to get them and everyone who is not as far to the right as they are. 

They should say that Fox News, Breitbart, the Daily Wire, Turning Point USA, InfoWars, and what have you have been run by Neo-Nazis, secret members of the KKK, and all other kinds of White Supremacists who want to take over the country with their radical right-wing agenda.

They should run on suing and cleansing all right-wing outlets non-stop when they gain enough power.

The Democratic aligned activists should generate mass protests at every right-wing media company headquarter IRL and have pickets saying that "Truth Not Tyranny!"

They all should talk about how the mainstream media and no longer really cares about democracy, no longer really cares about your freedoms, no longer really cares about the welfare of the people. 

Some of you may think that what I am saying is crazy and goes against freedom speech and democracy. Well, Trump and his party already have been threatening both the legacy media and every Democratic aligned media ecosystem.

Democrats gotta stop worrying too much about offending anyone and protecting norms because it's not working and the system is already getting fucked!

This is now war. So, Democrats need to fight fire with fire!

[Yimpa]

Have you ever protested before irl?

[Elliott]

Write to DNC about it.

[Raze]

That wouldn’t help and would make things worse. Democrats don’t have power to do this ans they’d just be accused of being authoritarian censors.

Edited yesterday at 02:09 AM by Raze

[Hardkill]

17 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Have you ever protested before irl?

I haven’t yet, but I want to one day.

 

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Write to DNC about it.

Maybe I will.

 

14 minutes ago, Raze said:

That wouldn’t help and would make things worse. Democrats don’t have power to do this ans they’d just be accused of being authoritarian censors.

Both parties are already greatly disliked and the establishment Democrats are the most unpopular they’ve ever been.

Plus, clearly nobody really cares enough about authoritarianism and democracy. Otherwise, Trump never would’ve been president again in 2024. People today care more about affordability and holding the rich, corporations, and the elites accountable.

Moreover, Democrats are losing the messaging war and need to figure out a way to spread this cancerous spread of all of these falsehoods and false equivalencies. Otherwise, we could be facing the end of country before we know it.

Edited yesterday at 02:23 AM by Hardkill

[Apparition of Jack]

It genuinely baffles me that they haven’t done this more. You would think that they would be on the attack against an administration like Trump’s that lies through its teeth day after day.

The only reason I can think of is that they’re beholden to the same masters as the Republicans, but that doesn’t mean they have to literally give the Republicans are free pass to spread insidious toxic bullshit. Why the DNC seems to hate upholding the truth or resisting Republican overreach is beyond me.

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

It genuinely baffles me that they haven’t done this more. You would think that they would be on the attack against an administration like Trump’s that lies through its teeth day after day.

The only reason I can think of is that they’re beholden to the same masters as the Republicans, but that doesn’t mean they have to literally give the Republicans are free pass to spread insidious toxic bullshit. Why the DNC seems to hate upholding the truth or resisting Republican overreach is beyond me.

It's futile, anyone that doesn't see the FOX news lies already is waist deep in the cult and it would take a psychiatrist to get them out. Yelling about it doesn't make a difference. The long-term change that is desired, and that happens, is from grassroots, normal people talking everyday. There's no savior for our problem, it can only be solved collectively.

Edited yesterday at 02:57 AM by Elliott

[Hardkill]

53 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's futile, anyone that doesn't see the FOX news lies already is waist deep in the cult and it would take a psychiatrist to get them out. Yelling about it doesn't make a difference. The long-term change that is desired, and that happens, is from grassroots, normal people talking everyday. There's no savior for our problem, it can only be solved collectively.

We can’t save the voters who are already too far gone because of the right wing media.

However, if we lost too many moderate and Independent voters because of this terrible media environment then we are doomed. 
 

A grass movement for this is crucial but I don’t see how that will be enough to save our country.

Approval for the Democratic brand is at an all time low.

Edited yesterday at 03:50 AM by Hardkill

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Apparition of Jack said:

It genuinely baffles me that they haven’t done this more. You would think that they would be on the attack against an administration like Trump’s that lies through its teeth day after day.

The only reason I can think of is that they’re beholden to the same masters as the Republicans, but that doesn’t mean they have to literally give the Republicans are free pass to spread insidious toxic bullshit. Why the DNC seems to hate upholding the truth or resisting Republican overreach is beyond me.

It’s not just the donor class that’s contributing to this. It’s really that they are just too afraid to let go of catering to too many different groups of people unlike the Republican Party which has had no problem catering to a much less diverse coalition of interests.

[Elliott]

What tends to decide the election is the economy, which is tanking like 1930

 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:41 AM by Elliott

[hyruga]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU0k1Edj0E9/?igsh=YW81djVqNzVxdjVh

Maybe only a little bit related to thread title based on the words.

[Hardkill]

11 hours ago, Elliott said:

What tends to decide the election is the economy, which is tanking like 1930

 

 

We don't have a recession yet and unfortunately it doesn't look like we will be having one this year. I hope that I am wrong.

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, Hardkill said:

We don't have a recession yet and unfortunately it doesn't look like we will be having one this year. I hope that I am wrong.

If Republican policy brings abundance to the masses, why would you oppose it? It doesn't, the need for all the hate from republIcans is because their policies fail, always, and miserably.

Dont need a recession and it's only because of the AI boom(a bubble). Inflation and joblessness is more important than GDP.

 

MarketWatch

https://www.marketwatch.com

Without AI-related investment, U.S. economy would be in a recession

Sep 25, 2025 — Without it, the U.S. economy would be close to, or in, a recession, said Deutsche Bank's George Saravelos. "It may not be an exaggeration to 

 

 

Fox Business

https://www.foxbusiness.com

US debt set to crush World War II record as annual deficits explode to $3T ...

5 days ago — Under the CBO's outlook, net interest costs are expected to surge from a little over $1 trillion in fiscal year 2026, representing 3.3% of GDP,

 

 

[Cred]

Once you learn to see behind the deception and the propaganda, you will realize that the democrats and the republicans were never enemies. Both parties have only one goal which is to keep the power in the hands of the view. It was always just a big play to get the working class to believe they are free. In reality, americans are among the least free people in the world. 

At the end of the day, the democrats do the same thing as the republicans but they have a warm smile while they are doing it and play basketball.

The moment you realize this, you understand why the democrats are not doing shit. They never really cared about civil rights. They only cared about keeping the working class just happy enough that they don't revolt. 

You have no idea what it really means to be a leftist. Everyone who you think is a leftist is just controlled opposition. Woke is just controlled opposition. Critical theory is just controlled opposition. What being left really means, and this truth is very well known all over the world except in the west bc of liberal propaganda, is to understand that violence is the only way forward.

Edited 21 hours ago by Cred

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, Cred said:

Once you learn to see behind the deception and the propaganda, you will realize that the democrats and the republicans were never enemies. Both parties have only one goal which is to keep the power in the hands of the view. It was always just a big play to get the working class to believe they are free. In reality, americans are among the least free people in the world. 

At the end of the day, the democrats do the same thing as the republicans but they have a warm smile while they are doing it and play basketball.

The moment you realize this, you understand why the democrats are not doing shit. They never really cared about civil rights. They only cared about keeping the working class just happy enough that they don't revolt. 

You have no idea what it really means to be a leftist. Everyone who you think is a leftist is just controlled opposition. Woke is just controlled opposition. Critical theory is just controlled opposition. What being left really means, and this truth is very well known all over the world except in the west bc of liberal propaganda, is to understand that violence is the only way forward.

Violence is definitely not the way forward. There have been violent revolutions before. More people doing real inner work will lead to lasting change. If the universe was material, then violence would be the way, but it's not, it's energetic.

[Cred]

@Wilhelm44 Yes there have been violent revolutions, and? Isn't this an argument to doing this again? You think the french revolution was a bad thing for example?

If you do serious research, you will realize that most of what you think you believe about marxist revolutions and the countries that have undergone them is false. You only have to do surface level research to realize that chinese people already have it better than american people. Really the only thing you are not free to do in china is annoy the government with liberalism, which is fair because liberalism is outdated and evil rellative to marxism-leninism. That would be like wanting feudalism back in a liberal state.

Doing inner work will not change shit about the fact that rich assholes control you and use your money to fund endless wars. Do you really want to wait until those rich Epstein pedophiles become enlightened and give their power to the people without resistance? Is that your plan? Hate to break it to you but it's not gonna happen. What's much more likely is that the rich turn the liberal state into a fascist state.

You are not the fist to claim something along the lines of "spirit is reality". A lot of philosophers in Marx' time believed the same thing. Hegel believed (I think, haven't red him yet), that since spirit is most fundamental, it is also what propells historic change. This is what marx critiqued by agruing that the material conditions actually have the biggest impact on peoples lives and therefore the biggest impact on historical development.

For example do you think that philosophising and meditating more has a bigger impact on your life or free housing? The answer is free housing since if you had it, you wouldn't have to work so much to keep a roof obove your head and as a result would be able to philosophise and meditate even more.

I want to clarify something. I'm not saying you should pick up a gun. The job of theory minded people to help the revolution is to learn about the theory and the history that is relevant and then radicalize the workingclass by informing them, to make them angry and willing to revolt.

Edited 12 hours ago by Cred

[Kid A]

47 minutes ago, Cred said:

You only have to do surface level research to realize that chinese people already have it better than american people.

How exactly? According to the Human Development Index (living standards), the US ranks 17th in the world, while China ranks 78th. In terms of happiness for the average citizen, the US ranks 24th while China ranks 68th.
https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks
https://data.worldhappiness.report/table?_gl=1*19mt4k9*_gcl_au*NTMyMjM0NzI5LjE3NzE0MTAyMTQ. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Kid A

[Ulax]

I get and respect your ambitions.

However, its important we understand correct how best to bring about the outcomes we want.

Its important to rely on things like theories derives from of what has worked in the past. That way we can better avoid well-meaning hypotheses leading to unwanted outcomes. 

Not saying your idea won't work, just that its important we use to evidence to support it.

[Cred]

@Kid A  Thanks for the perspective! I am planning to look into the data. While I do think that china is overly demonized in the west, I don't want to fall into the trap of overglazing china.

Based on my information, things like health care, housing,  grocery prices etc. (cost of living basically) are way better in china and maybe I falsely broadended this to "people have it better". 

When comparing the us to china, it is important to acknowledge that china used to be a developing country just 20 years ago. The fact that they even are at a place comparible to the us is astonishing and a miracle in and of itself.

Therefore it is important to understand that a post-revolution western state will look dramatically different than china. Just imagine what the immense wealth of the us could do for it's people. Also as soon as the threat of liberalism is weakened, marxist led states will be able to breathe a lot more freely and therefore be able to allow their citizens a lot more freedom too.

[Wilhelm44]

2 hours ago, Cred said:

@Wilhelm44 Yes there have been violent revolutions, and? Isn't this an argument to doing this again? You think the french revolution was a bad thing for example?

If you do serious research, you will realize that most of what you think you believe about marxist revolutions and the countries that have undergone them is false. You only have to do surface level research to realize that chinese people already have it better than american people. Really the only thing you are not free to do in china is annoy the government with liberalism, which is fair because liberalism is outdated and evil rellative to marxism-leninism. That would be like wanting feudalism back in a liberal state.

Doing inner work will not change shit about the fact that rich assholes control you and use your money to fund endless wars. Do you really want to wait until those rich Epstein pedophiles become enlightened and give their power to the people without resistance? Is that your plan? Hate to break it to you but it's not gonna happen. What's much more likely is that the rich turn the liberal state into a fascist state.

You are not the fist to claim something along the lines of "spirit is reality". A lot of philosophers in Marx' time believed the same thing. Hegel believed (I think, haven't red him yet), that since spirit is most fundamental, it is also what propells historic change. This is what marx critiqued by agruing that the material conditions actually have the biggest impact on peoples lives and therefore the biggest impact on historical development.

For example do you think that philosophising and meditating more has a bigger impact on your life or free housing? The answer is free housing since if you had it, you wouldn't have to work so much to keep a roof obove your head and as a result would be able to philosophise and meditate even more.

I want to clarify something. I'm not saying you should pick up a gun. The job of theory minded people to help the revolution is to learn about the theory and the history that is relevant and then radicalize the workingclass by informing them, to make them angry and willing to revolt.

Mamdani got voted in without having to resort to violence. You really want to take on the army ?