Why everyone uses God-realization here? Instead of Self-realization?

[Ramasta9]

When you realize who you truly are or true nature, or buddha nature, whatever you wanna call it, that is called Self-realization, the realization of the True Self.

You simply realize and remember who you truly are, the fundamental nature of Consciousness. Adding "god" to it is yet another layer of mind~play i feel, and can actually keep us one step further from the truth in perpetual and potentially unconscious seeking thru disbelief. 

I feel this happens when one doesn't truly recognize who they truly are, or doesn't believe it fully and hasn't integrated where its no longer a belief but a "Knowing", hence to "Know Thyself", are so then are labelled (by our minds) "god-realization" or "god consciousness", but even before that, there was / is The Self or I AM.

So in a sense, when the mind reintegrated, it was still in a type of "shock" you could say, and hasn't merged and landed fully, rather partly or prematurely, thus the god-complex arises. This "god-complex" then becomes an issue that many are struggling with today.

This could be a good discussion, or it could go side-ways, I felt its important to touch upon, what do you think? or feel? 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 03:56 AM by Ramasta9

[Hojo]

Because God is the self. They just dont want to say it. Because people will say it cant be or its blasphemous. When the self sees itself it says I am God.

Edited Saturday at 09:06 AM by Hojo

[Ramasta9]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Because God is the self. They just dont want to say it. Because people will say it cant be or its blasphemous. When the self sees itself it says I am God.

Does it? When i realized my true nature I realized "I" simply "AM" thus "I AM". The word or thought or notion of "God" was not there whatsoever? Rather what the mind fabricated afterwards in attempt to label or relate or contain it in some way, because I AM was far too simple and too ordinary.

This very simple and ordinary aspect is the "essence" of the tao and advanced zen teachings that many seem to miss. 

Man created God, the Self simply is. I feel this term "god" gets us into trouble and is far over-used, and actually not needed whatsoever.

The greatest teachers rarely used the term at all, because they touched something deeper, something I am attempting to convey here.

 

 

[Yimpa]

I AM the Infinite God, and all possibilities exist inside me.

[Elliott]

Hard to sell people something if they already have it.

[kavaris]

Hey, think of it as~Its all an experiment, right? So its all jus throwin things  at the wall to see wat sticks. And we came out of a psychedelic era, or watever the 60s/70s would be~Then we had 80s to 2000s, whatever that was. And then we get to where we are at now, where its like "How do u differentiate yourself in {insert whatever year actualized dot org started}"and so, if we take actualized (the process/action) as a type of inclination of what it *is to be, then we sortve get the next obvious thing, which is where we are sortve like, in mid-conversation about god realization. And it makes it seem like it started there now. Though i myself am always writing about it from the perspective of Beingness first. I cant speak to others, if others are doing the same, but i can say, for myself, God realization is more of like an advanced lvl, or layer upon the more simpler layers that are antecedant (to me, that is—As i view it all as having a very distinct order to these things, but thats jus me maybe, iuno) (Or maybe not an order, but like, a distinct *sequence that we follow, that we later reorder to better suite the new download of things, nd things like this)

Edited yesterday at 01:46 AM by kavaris

[Wilhelm44]

On 2/14/2026 at 5:53 AM, Ramasta9 said:

When you realize who you truly are or true nature, or buddha nature, whatever you wanna call it, that is called Self-realization, the realization of the True Self.

You simply realize and remember who you truly are, the fundamental nature of Consciousness. Adding "god" to it is yet another layer of mind~play i feel, and can actually keep us one step further from the truth in perpetual and potentially unconscious seeking thru disbelief. 

I feel this happens when one doesn't truly recognize who they truly are, or doesn't believe it fully and hasn't integrated where its no longer a belief but a "Knowing", hence to "Know Thyself", are so then are labelled (by our minds) "god-realization" or "god consciousness", but even before that, there was / is The Self or I AM.

So in a sense, when the mind reintegrated, it was still in a type of "shock" you could say, and hasn't merged and landed fully, rather partly or prematurely, thus the god-complex arises. This "god-complex" then becomes an issue that many are struggling with today.

This could be a good discussion, or it could go side-ways, I felt its important to touch upon, what do you think? or feel? 

 

 

I like that, takes the pressure off and simplifies things. The word God is such a loaded term for most people.

[No1Here2c]

Semantics

[No1Here2c]

Ultimately it matters not what you label it, but whether you are conscious of it or not. Honestly I personally feel the label "God-Realization" is a better interpretive reflection of the situation from a human perspective.

[Ramasta9]

11 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Ultimately it matters not what you label it, but whether you are conscious of it or not. Honestly I personally feel the label "God-Realization" is a better interpretive reflection of the situation from a human perspective.

Its like the term people in the spiritual community use "higher self", by using this very term you only distance yourself and keep your "true self" away from you, always putting it upon a imaginary pedestal never to be reached because its always going to be "higher than you", you see the issue here?  Its similar with the god-complex situation i am attempting to covey. I understand what you mean, but at the same time i feel these points are still valid.

[Yimpa]

God is all by itself.

[Carl-Richard]

There is a powerful pointer attributed to Leo which goes like "You are creating everything". It resonates strongly with the notion of "God". Besides, God-realization is often used as a description of higher states of divine love not merely reducible to the pure emptiness realization.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Language tends to compress experience when we have not directly realized or experienced a domain.

Without direct experience second hand labels are borrowed and used to try to map something out. This can be where we use synonymous language that flattens fine distinctions.

For example: prior to direct experience - fear is one thing. But on deeper contact fear can be broken down and split into anxiety, dread, shame, anticipatory stress, existential terror, threat response etc.

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Xonas Pitfall]

Self is God! 

Truth is not meant to be humble nor grand; that is why it is a perfect duality to say the Self is God.

Some people make “God” into an other, something separate, and that isn’t in accordance with truth either. Owning that and saying “Self is God” or “I am God” can actually be more truthful. A lot of gurus avoid this. They fear public backlash, sounding too grand, or disrupting a certain identity, so they say things like “All is One” or “All is Love,” but never really own the God aspect of it. Many people also feel that God is too grand, that they could never be it, so they never own it. “Oh, it’s something out there, far away, too perfect, too good. I could never possibly be THAT!” That is also misleading, because it keeps you from realization.

At the same time, some people use “God” to make themselves superior to others. In that sense, saying “I am the Self, I am All, Everyone”, "All is Self" can be more humbling. Many cult leaders abused this by placing themselves as a deity and misusing that power.

Whatever stops separating you from the other, the self from the other, is the truth.

So if you personally find it more truthful, and easier to remember, to see Truth or God as Self, then that is what resonates with you more and aligns you more with truth. Ultimately, it is all the same.

A squirrely, weak little ant is God.
A trembling leaf in the wind is God.
A cracked pebble on the road is God.
A tired stray cat hiding from the rain is God.
A fading candle flame is God.
A bent blade of grass growing through concrete is God.
A shallow breath taken in fear is God.

Edited 3 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Ramasta9]

Thanks for your comments. I was simply attempting to remind people that language can be easily misused, and that "God" may not always be the best term to use. After all, you ARE - the Self / Awareness / Truth or True Nature - which came first. Even if people call that "God", its still a very loaded word.

As a child, you simply knew you were, even before the thought or idea of God. That idea often comes later, along with a lot of cultural and psychological baggage, especially on a mass / public platform, that can easily create misunderstandings which is what i am pointing to.

There are already many misunderstandings and arguments going around this forum. My post is to help clean things up for better communication and delivery and less misunderstandings, to suggest that being a little more careful and precise with terms might help reduce unnecessary confusion.

All in All  

[Someone here]

Obviously it's not "dog-realization". Some words hit closer than others as to what you are . The definition of God is an entity which is infinite ..boundless ..eternal ..immortal..omnipotent..omnipresent......omniscient ...all Good and more . And that's what you are .so what should that be called in your opinion?