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Contemplating solipsism in direct experience

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I hope no one locks this and accuse me of mental masturbation.  Thanks .

 

I'm looking at the forum page right now .at the top there is a picture of Leo. At the bottom there is the list of members who are online.  I'm perceiving this with my eyes . I close my eyes ..usually when I close my eyes I immediately experience a mental image of the last thing I just saw before closing my eyes .so I see a mental image of the forum page .that mental image has no objective existence except in my mind .I mean the mental image of the forum page . Now I look at the forum page again..Leo at the top ..online members list at the bottom. Memories arise and say :I just saw this page seconds ago and I'm seeing it again now ..the same page . Obviously it is not the same page ..simply because this is a totally new fresh moment of time .the first time I saw the page is now swallowed in the past forever.  What does this imply?  That that event that just happened seconds ago doesn't actually exist at all right now . 

Moving on ..all the time there are mental images popping in my mind. ..Leo..Natasha..youtube video I've watched earlier today . We call that daydreaming .none of that is actual . Its in the mind .you obviously do realize how much time you spend daydreaming ? Put on your headphones and listen to your favourite music album and immediately you are fantasising about a past scenario about yourself.  OK.  That image of yourself is not yourself. Because it is an image of yourself.  Likewise the reflection of your face on the mirror is the reflection of your face in the mirror..it is not you . I hope this is clear . Stop reading and get it .

Moving on ..spend just an hour without daydreaming .what exists ? Direct immediate existence. That is actual .here it is .

Moving on..sit alone . My mom is in the next room . I don't see her right now . I see a mental image of her sitting in the other room .that is not the actual mother .there is no actual mother right now in direct experience..there is the mental image of her . A thought arises "my mother is in the next room ". That is not an actual mother ..that's a thought . "Yes sure but beyond the entire realm of thought there is an actual mother in the other room!". That ..is..a thought . I'm trying my best to reach outside my thoughts ..but the reaching outside of thoughts is thoughts .

Moving on ..a question:just because an actual perception is not presently here and now means it doesn't exist at all in actual reality ? That's the million dollars question. 

An answer : well yeah that's literally what's happening.  There is no escaping that if something is not here and now directly then it's imagined by me . "OK sure but it exists outside the imagination ".."well that Is me imagining that there is something beyond my imagining ". You follow ? So the point Is: you can't reach outside your mental world .if you stopped imagining or thinking ..there is no thing but what is directly present.  

actual existence is this . Any other place or time isn't actual existence. 

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 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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Nice one. Question: if your mother sitting in the next room, not present in your direct experience, asks you a question. You hear it and you respond to her. You have an entire conversation with your mother just by listening to her and not seeing her. Does your mother exist?

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@FrenkJust as a sound. We exist as many different perceptions. For instance here I exist as text on a monitor and your own voice in your head.

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