So called God realization and Be /Real God

[James123]

God realization is bullshit, belongs to mind experience. 

Be/real God is when experiencer dies. Sometimes body / mind continues or sometimes not. 

You can say, body and mind still experience, yes, but not You.

[Terell Kirby]

49 minutes ago, James123 said:

God realization is bullshit

lol

[UnbornTao]

Every belief is, essentially. 

[Joseph Maynor]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

God realization is bullshit, belongs to mind experience. 

Be/real God is when experiencer dies. Sometimes body / mind continues or sometimes not. 

You can say, body and mind still experience, yes, but not You.

This seems like arguing and debating.  

[James123]

2 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This seems like arguing and debating.  

No. Pointer.

If any experience is not Truth, how can you debate?

[Breakingthewall]

It depends on what you call God. If God is total reality, the unfathomable source of being, that is, your ultimate nature, then it's not nonsense at all; it's the opening of your energetic structure to your total nature. Enlightenment.

If for you god realization is realizing that you are creating a dream, etc ,then yes, it's just an idea 

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

No. Pointer

Yes ..right . God is also a pointer .call it God..no self ..nirvana etc.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

No. Pointer.

If any experience is not Truth, how can you debate?

Any experience is truth, there is only truth, nothing that is is a "lie" in itself. The reality is, and it's nature is absolute, if you are open to that nature, you see what you are. It's an experience because you are a human , a structure that reality takes who have a dual experience. It's not complicated, very simple. There are not dreams, lies, etc, just close experience and open experience 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Any experience is truth, there is only truth, nothing that is is a "lie" in itself. The reality is, and it's nature is absolute, if you are open to that nature, you see what you are. It's an experience because you are a human , a structure that reality takes who have a dual experience. It's not complicated, very simple. There are not dreams, lies, etc, just close experience and open experience 

When pointer and pointed is identical, there is no experience.

[Breakingthewall]

38 minutes ago, James123 said:

When pointer and pointed is identical, there is no experience.

7 hours ago, James123 said:

 

 

 

Experience is change perceived. There is change perceived right? 

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Experience is change perceived. There is change perceived right? 

For body.

 

[Breakingthewall]

14 minutes ago, James123 said:

For body.

 

It's change perceived, for the body or anything, that's the same. The point is that is

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's change perceived, for the body or anything, that's the same. The point is that is

İt is not same, these are all beliefs, belongs to so called mind. You will waste an entire life with beliefs and never be free.

Peace.

Edited 3 hours ago by James123

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, James123 said:

İt is not same, these are all beliefs, belongs to so called mind. You will waste an entire life with beliefs and never be free.

Peace.

Sure brother, I'm not free like you, I hope that now you are happy. 

Then, leaving that matter resolved,   what I meant is that the body, the mind, it's the same, an experience is happening, perceived change. It's not false, it's a fact. This change is the reality manifested, and Is perceived because there is a duality, a reflection. It's not a dream or false, it's just the reality. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[James123]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure brother, I'm not free like you, I hope that now you are happy. 

Then, leaving that matter resolved,   what I meant is that the body, the mind, it's the same, an experience is happening, perceived change. It's not false, it's a fact. This change is the reality manifested, and Is perceived because there is a duality, a reflection. It's not a dream or false, it's just the reality. 

I am not free, I am dead. Body is it's own.

What I am telling you is, what you said above belongs to mind, not You.

Give up.

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, James123 said:

What I am telling you is, what you said above belongs to mind, not You.

I am the mind, without mind there is not I. Spirituality denies the obvious and only succeeds in confusing people. Where is the problem being a mind? That's what you are. It's the manifestation of reality now. 

Spirituality, in reality, attempts to deactivate the mechanisms of the human mind to stop suffering. That is, someone perceives suffering as bad, so they devise a series of mental strategies to detach themselves from that suffering, convincing themselves that they have no preferences, except regarding suffering, which must be avoided because they don't like it. 

That has no relationship with enlightenment, in fact its a hindrance