How Feminism Became The West's New Moral Authority

[Ulax]

On 16/02/2026 at 10:34 AM, zazen said:

A good test is to imagine being father to a daughter then ask - what kind of society would we want her growing up in? What would we want to be seen as normal by the wider culture. 

We actually need some haram police - some shame is a healthy tool for stabilizing society. It's either the hard way by force (actual haram police like in Iran or Saudi Arabia), or the soft way by cultural and social conditioning that approves or disapproves of certain behaviors. Western society removed the harsh way but also doesn't want the soft way because it ''hurts feelings''. Accept everything, pluralism until hitler gets voted, don't be so JuDgMeNtAl - no, its called discernment.

Agreed

[zazen]

I remembered this thread asking about what is feminine / masculine etc. This tweet was interesting in that regard: https://x.com/sovereignim/status/2028892302207230415?s=46&t=DuLUbFRQFGpB8oo7PwRglQ

 

“In man, she loves the masculine: risk taking, daring, conquest driven, ruthless, dominant, defiant, assertive - she loves the monster

But crucially too, she looks for the human in that monster, the beast that would be divine, and for that she looks for the feminine in him: intuition, receptivity, attunement, expressiveness, sympathy, sensitivity and nuturing

The former of course being more masculine than the latter, but the synthesis of each being perfectly masculine in a way that makes the former alone look primitive - for you see, to woman, the "true man" is a man who has integrated his feminine without losing his masculine - and in that sense, has transcended his primitive barbarianism to resemble god in his paternalism - fatherliness is apex masculinity, and the perfect father is God, but within man: the synergised synthesis of masculine and feminine within the male vessel.

It is for this reason she loves a man who knows how to appreciate her without being consumed by her or sycophantic to her, because he embodies the best of her without losing the best of himself. To simply prefer the feminine to the masculine is to self-betray, to surrender, to lose all respect and get nothing. To understand the feminine in all its darkness, appreciate its light, and incorporate that into yourself as a man whilst retaining your masculine edge is something else entirely.

In truth, most women are forced into unsatisfying mate choices: be it the sensitive attuned man who lacks ruthlessness, the cerebral man who lacks courage or sensitivity, or the ruthless man who lacks wisdom. Forced to pick a single lane, the ruthless will win everytime, but of course the best of men does not inhabit just one lane, but all.

But if she is greedy, and she is, for as the receptive principle she is endlessly devouring - then she longs for it all - she longs for man as both savagery and poetry - the paradox who has integrated contradictions in tension to resemble art - a man with the voltage to be as chaotic and thrilling as she is, whilst being reasonable and grounded enough to stabilise her. A man who can take her to the highest heights she's ever known, and then catch her as she falls without flinching - he is both adventurer and leader.

Very few women ever get to know such a man, for to be such a man is to, irrespective of all other factors, be the best of men. Which is why if you are a man who wants your pick of only the finest daughters, then becoming this man will grant you your wish.”

[Scholar]

On 09/02/2026 at 10:58 AM, Basman said:

I like feminism and I think it's good overall, but there are certain aspects of it that are problematic and has had negative consequences for society. A lot of men feel displaced today in large part due to feminism and how it treats men via cultural attitudes, institutions, etc. There is a lot of male resentment floating about.

The issue is that discussing feminism in a critical way is taboo. It makes it harder to make sense of it all. It's part of our liberal dogma that feminism is purely good.

Men feel displaced today because the internet has replaced socializing and eroded ways people did socialize. Males are resentful because they are lonely, lack social skills, friends and are outrage baited by social media into blaming progressivism for all their problems.

 

It's mindblowing to me that people like you pretend like bashing and shitting on feminism is somehow "taboo", when we currently have a MAGA administration in the US and everyone is shitting on everything that even smells a bit like progressivism.

The reason why we have such radical feminists is because conservitards cannot stop obsessing about this and every other progressive issue, unwittingly reinforcing the identity of anyone who considers themselves an activist. What you resist, persists.

Edited March 11 by Scholar

[Basman]

10 hours ago, Scholar said:

Men feel displaced today because the internet has replaced socializing and eroded ways people did socialize. Males are resentful because they are lonely, lack social skills, friends and are outrage baited by social media into blaming progressivism for all their problems.

True. Culture war is largely algorithmic.

10 hours ago, Scholar said:

It's mindblowing to me that people like you pretend like bashing and shitting on feminism is somehow "taboo", when we currently have a MAGA administration in the US and everyone is shitting on everything that even smells a bit like progressivism.

It's more like a lack of trust in institutions. Certain progressives policies, like for example immigration, where implemented without broad consent from the populace. That creates a sense that politics is opaque and not working in your interests, and is a bipartisan feeling in my opinion, but probably stronger among many conservatives.

The appeal of authoritarianism is that it gives voters a sense of agency. When MAGA sees protesters getting shot by ICE it's like the other shoe dropping for them.

Note that Trump and his voters aren't truly conservative by definition because he's undermining institutions and democracy as a whole. They are in fact revolutionary. By definition the opposite of conservative.

10 hours ago, Scholar said:

The reason why we have such radical feminists is because conservitards cannot stop obsessing about this and every other progressive issue, unwittingly reinforcing the identity of anyone who considers themselves an activist. What you resist, persists.

Reactionaries are probably also largely algorithmic in nature, but radical feminists have existed from the very start.

[Alexop]

On 2/10/2026 at 0:18 AM, Elliott said:

Why don't any of you point to any specific issue men are having, "exclusion" is not specific. I'm a straight white male and modern feminists go out of their way to be nice and interact with me, they approach me, they invite me back to their place, they buy me breakfast, honest to god.

As a straight white male, it seems like an absurd claim. No one excludes me, resents me, vilifies me.

They do vilify, this is not ironic, the same guys on here raging about feminism, the same ones asking how to get laid with pickup or tinder. They vilify being objectified, you guys just don't understand that you objectify women, they owe you nothing. You're literally not owed a wife.

You either met very mature people or you are a yes man. A masculine man has to treat these people like children. If he would be 100% honest, he will be out.

Not that I agree with the Title of this thread but saying nothing is wrong with the woke movement means you life in another reality. Look to that guy`s comment about dancing. One mus lead, one must follow, now that is a good argument.

Edited Saturday at 02:42 AM by Alexop

[Elliott]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

You either met very mature people or you are a yes man. A masculine man has to treat these people like children. If he would be 100% honest, he will be out.

Not that I agree with the Title of this thread but saying nothing is wrong with the woke movement means you life in another reality. Look to that guy`s comment about dancing. One mus lead, one must follow, now that is a good argument.

What woke toxicity are you referring to, what topics would I be a yes man on? The only thing I disagree with progressives on is socialism. I don't remember many details about this thread. I don't consider people like the hosts of the show The View to even be feminists, they're just idiots, there's people like that, but they're just repeating what they've heard, I think they're a minority just saying stuff for rage ratings, I've never met stupid people like that in real life. I don't go clubbing or even drink, myself, I think that eliminates a lot of idiots from my life, perhaps more than the common Actualized male.

Edited Saturday at 07:28 AM by Elliott

[Brittany]

I was raised in a Conservative environment and had many anti-feminist views in the past.

But when I took the time to study more about it, I am realizing that feminism is a lot deeper and complex than I thought.

I am starting to see that New Age versions of "Femininity" and the "Divine Feminine" are way less evolved than Feminist literature. The New Age religion's approach to women is more similar to Christian conservatism and has no interest in deconstruction work but instead focuses on maintaining the already existing structure.

Feminism is hardcore and honest about how women have been programmed and conditioned mentally.

It is a deconstruction and stripping of that programming.

And it also shows how certain roles and behaviors required of Women aren't entirely innocent and have hidden motives behind them.

It also deconstructs popular sayings or phrases used on Women to make them conform.

And it is brutally honest about the way women have been hurt in the past by Men.

For many women, this deconstruction process results in a form of Horror and Terror.

This is actually a good thing, like a form of ego death.

But what Feminism doesn't do well, is give women guidance on how to handle the Horror and Terror.

It just leaves women there, in their Horror, and this is what leads to Misandry and women hating Men.

And in this, you are right.

Leaving women in a state of Horror, is not good.

The solution is not to reverse or get rid of feminism. 

But continue to show women how to Deconstruct their programming while also Reconstructing in a way where Men's value and inherent worth is seen.

[Alexop]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

What woke toxicity are you referring to, what topics would I be a yes man on? The only thing I disagree with progressives on is socialism. I don't remember many details about this thread. I don't consider people like the hosts of the show The View to even be feminists, they're just idiots, there's people like that, but they're just repeating what they've heard, I think they're a minority just saying stuff for rage ratings, I've never met stupid people like that in real life. I don't go clubbing or even drink, myself, I think that eliminates a lot of idiots from my life, perhaps more than the common Actualized male.

It is partly true that there are many subcultures where feminine perspective starts to shadow the masculine one. If you are masculine you are seen as a problem. Mothers who strip thier boys of any masculine tendency, then they grow up some gullible losers who will just be a shadow of their partners. This toxicity I am talking about. Just as patriarchy made a shadow of the feminine perspective, the upcoming matriarchy creates a shadow of the masculine. That until we fuck it up completely and we invent a better way of living, maybe one that is less ideological and more logical. 

It is partly the economy and social media who is powering these problems but also woke ideology. Women raise their standards because they can, but do they have a plan for men? Men are going down, you cannot just abandon halv of society, they will be radicalized and vote like radical people if you dont't fix them.

 

Edited Saturday at 10:08 AM by Alexop

[Elliott]

On 3/21/2026 at 6:07 AM, Alexop said:

 If you are masculine you are seen as a problem. Mothers who strip thier boys of any masculine tendency, then they grow up some gullible losers who will just be a shadow of their partners.

Would you list the specific masculine traits or behaviors you're referring to? The only one I can think of is fighting.

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It is partly the economy and social media who is powering these problems but also woke ideology. Women raise their standards because they can, but do they have a plan for men? Men are going down, you cannot just abandon halv of society, they will be radicalized and vote like radical people if you dont't fix them.

What do you think feminism means, it means women's rights, that doesn't mean men aren't allowed to talk about their problems. Women as a whole are not your mother, how are they supposed to know mens problems? Men are over represented(law and culture) in every society. If you have an issue, tell your male(likely) representative, it's not on the feminist to advocate for you..... feminists listen to rational men about their issues, that's what woke is, but it makes no sense for women's movements to be the ones leading the charge for mens rights, no one is stopping men. Mens issues are the patriarchy, what feminists fight, men needing to be the sole provider and emotionless, it's conservative structure that men ACTUALLY hate and are hurt by.

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[Alexop]

21 hours ago, Elliott said:

Would you list the specific masculine traits or behaviors you're referring to? The only one I can think of is fighting.

Lolz. I am out.  

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Alexop said:

Lolz. I am out.  

I was genuinely curious....

How are feminists supposed to know what wrongs they're doing if you refuse to give any idea more than just, "they oppose masculinity"? Give an example.

Edited yesterday at 12:55 PM by Elliott

[Alexop]

23 hours ago, Elliott said:

I was genuinely curious....

How are feminists supposed to know what wrongs they're doing if you refuse to give any idea more than just, "they oppose masculinity"? Give an example.

They oppose masculinity because they do not understand it. As you said, they say something similar, it is about fighing and shit. That is a very myopic and incomplete way of seeing masculinity. Masculinity is about protection, leadership, initiative, challening corrupt systems and entities. Women want masculinity, they dont want toxic masculinity. Many femininsts think only toxic masculinity exists, which is wrong obviously. Our nature is that we are different, we can argue to the moon and back if we want, but the truth is that we are and want to be different. And saying men and women are somewhat the same is some of the most annoying shit I ever heard. This shit creates a ton of problems and sexism nowadays. Want even more misogyny and sexism in society? Want even more lost and underdeveloped men in society? Just continue saying that nonsense.

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[Elliott]

50 minutes ago, Alexop said:

They oppose masculinity because they do not understand it. As you said, they say something similar, it is about fighing and shit. That is a very myopic and incomplete way of seeing masculinity. Masculinity is about protection, leadership, initiative, challening corrupt systems and entities. Women want masculinity, they dont want toxic masculinity. Many femininsts think only toxic masculinity exists, which is wrong obviously. Our nature is that we are different, we can argue to the moon and back if we want, but the truth is that we are and want to be different.

Would you list the specific masculine traits or behaviors you're referring to that they try to suppress in men? The only one I can think of is fighting, what do they say men shouldn't do or be? Something more specific than "masculine".

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And saying men and women are somewhat the same is some of the most annoying shit I ever heard. This shit creates a ton of problems and sexism nowadays. Want even more misogyny and sexism in society? Want even more lost and underdeveloped men in society? Just continue saying that nonsense.

They don't say that, they say everyone is different. For example, some women are more masculine than some men.

 

 

 

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[Alexop]

@Elliott I talked to many leftists of any possible flavour. They don't understand masculinity. If you corner them they try to escape with: "yea, of course there are some differences in preferences and that". But in reality, they way they raise their kids, the way they design the systems, they don't take the differences into consideration. Because, of course, they don't understand the differences.

This topic is so complex it took me years to understand, I cannot explain it to you in a comment. The best summary would be as Teal Swan says: "men (masculine people) are the shell and women (feminine people) are the pearls." Women need the protection of a masculine person or a system (welfare state, police) in order to be girly, which is what they love to do. They need to feel safe in order to offer love.

Women are designed by nature to love, they are love machines. Men are designed by nature to protect, they are "war" machines. Women are designed to create and take care of life. Men are designed to stop threats, to end life.

When toxic masculine people try to rape your wife, healthy masculine people will try to stop them.

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[Elliott]

34 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@Elliott I talked to many leftists of any possible flavour. They don't understand masculinity. If you corner them they try to escape with: "yea, of course there are some differences in preferences and that". But in reality, they way they raise their kids, the way they design the systems, they don't take the differences into consideration. Because, of course, they don't understand the differences.

This topic is so complex it took me years to understand, I cannot explain it to you in a comment. The best summary would be as Teal Swan says: "men (masculine people) are the shell and women (feminine people) are the pearls." Women need the protection of a masculine person or a system (welfare state, police) in order to be girly, which is what they love to do. They need to feel safe in order to offer love.

Women are designed by nature to love, they are love machines. Men are designed by nature to protect, they are "war" machines. Women are designed to create and take care of life. Men are designed to stop threats, to end life.

When toxic masculine people try to rape your wife, healthy masculine people will try to stop them.

Okay. But can you give an example of a behavior or trait that feminists try to suppress in their children or males? You don't have to list everything, list anything, one thing, one specific behavior or trait.

They tell boys to not to play with toy trucks or legos? They tell them to not play sports? They make them wear dresses and pink clothes? They make them do tea parties? Braid their hair, wear makeup?

Or are you talking about them asking their kids about feelings and telling them to be nice? I have no idea what you're suggesting, I'm trying to get an idea. What do they say to males, to change their behavior? What is even one specific thing you want feminists to stop doing? Women boss the men around?

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[Alexop]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

Okay. But can you give an example of a behavior or trait that feminists try to suppress in their children or males? You don't have to list everything, list anything, one thing, one specific behavior or trait.

They tell boys to not to play with toy trucks or legos? They tell them to not play sports? They make them wear dresses and pink clothes? They make them do tea parties? Braid their hair, wear makeup?

Or are you talking about them asking their kids about feelings and telling them to be nice? I have no idea what you're suggesting, I'm trying to get an idea. What do they say to males, to change their behavior? What is even one specific thing you want feminists to stop doing? Women boss the men around?

It is not what they tell them to do it is what they don't tell them. They don't explain to them what a man and a woman means in our society, because they themselves don't know. Womanhood is a behaviour, it is a vibe, it is not about makeup and dressing and pink colour. That is bullshit. It is the behaviour that we have to understand.

What are the evolutionary implications that shaped our biology. they don't create a system that preapres men to be men, they don't believe in the thing that you have to BECOME a man. you are not born a man, and you won't become a man just by growing a beard or whatever shit. 

They deconstruct all the social constructions without building back consciously. It is like me tearing down my house then freezing in the cold. Maybe these concepts that functioned more or less for such a long time have a base of truth in them. But yeah, that is the leftist paradigm, tear down everything old.

Men evolve differently, men need to be forged like a sword otherwise they collapse. and this is what we see now in society. Men collapsing because economical and societal progress has taken away the natural pressure that men had to endure. If we understood how our biology works we would have built a system that replaces the natural "men forger". We would have created a system that challenges their lack of accountability, laziness, immaturity. We would have created a system of values that give them meaning and a purpose to sacrifice for. 

Instead of curing society from the toxic masculinity created by Stage Red and Orange, we just reject masculinity completely. We just study and believe what "feels" right.

After studying this topic and the nutrition topic, I feel like the scientific community is a joke. It is so corrupt and full of shit that I'd rather do my own experiments and studies.

We have gender dysphoria cliniques in Sweden, just wonder how the fuck can they help people choose the right gender without understanding masculinity and femininity. Clown show.

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[Elliott]

9 minutes ago, Alexop said:

It is not what they tell them to do it is what they don't tell them. They don't explain to them what a man and a woman means in our society, what are the evolutionary implications that shaped our biology. they don't create a system that preapres men to be men, they don't believe in the thing that you have to BECOME a man. you are not born a man, and you won't become a man just by growing a beard or whatever shit. 

They deconstruct all the social constructions without building back consciously. It is like me tearing down my house then freezing in the cold. Maybe these concepts that functioned more or less for such a long time have a base of truth in them. But yeah, that is the leftist paradigm, tear down everything old.

Men evolve differently, men need to be forged like a sword otherwise they collapse. and this is what we see now in society. Men collapsing because economical and societal progress has taken away the natural pressure that men had to endure. If we understood how our biology works we would have built a system that replaces the natural "men forger". We would have created a system that challenges their lack of accountability, lazyness. We would have created a system of values that give them meaning and a purpose to sacrifice for. 

Instead of curing society from the toxic masculinity created by Stage Red and Orange, we just reject masculinity completely. We just study and believe what "feels" right.

After studying this topic and the nutrition topic, I feel like the scientific community is a joke. It is so corrupt and full of shit that I'd rather do my own experiments and studies.

We have gender dysphoria cliniques in Sweden, just wonder how the fuck can they help people choose the right gender without understanding masculinity and femininity. Clown show.

So, what is a specific example of what you're talking about, what a male needs to be told or taught, any example?

'Males need to ________' Lead women, not show weakness, work hard, take a certain path, be courageous, be strong, focus on money,.....?

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[Alexop]

Depends on the context.. generally men like to lead, take initiative, protect, endure hardships for their family. Women like to dance in their feminine side, nurture, send love to the world. But women can't do that if they dont feel safe and their needs are not met.

When they don't thrive and nobody helps them, then they need to help themselves by living from their masculine energy. a thing that they don't really want to do long term. These women who say they didn't need mens help are eating shit. They always will get help from men, through the welfare state, police, army. And they don't understand themselves and their needs, they just torture themselves by behaving like men in order to prove to the world that they can do whan men do. Lolz

What is a sour lady? What is a Karen? It is a woman that was not loved and taken care of. A woman that had to fend for herself and live from her masculine. That filled her with frustrations and venom.

[Elliott]

13 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Depends on the context.. generally men like to lead, take initiative, protect, endure hardships for their family. Women like to dance in their feminine side, nurture, send love to the world. But women can't do that if they dont feel safe and their needs are not met.

When they don't thrive and nobody helps them, then they need to help themselves by living from their masculine energy. a thing that they don't really want to do long term. These women who say they didn't need mens help are eating shit. They always will get help from men, through the welfare state, police, army. And they don't understand themselves and their needs, they just torture themselves by behaving like men in order to prove to the world that they can do whan men do. Lolz

What is a sour lady? What is a Karen? It is a woman that was not loved and taken care of. A woman that had to fend for herself and live from her masculine. That filled her with frustrations and venom.

Feminists oppose men learning " to lead, take initiative, protect, endure hardships for their family"?

What is an example of something feminists fight against men learning? "Leading"?  "Taking initiative"?Courage? Drive? I don't even mean all feminists, what's an example of some feminists fighting against men being taught something? Anything, pick one. Being the leader in the relationship? Focusing on career and purpose?

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[Alexop]

22 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Okay. But what is an example of something feminists fight against men learning? Courage? Drive? I don't even mean all feminists, what's an example of some feminists fighting against men being taught something? Anything, pick one.

They treat them the same as they treat women, because they see the feminine perspective as better. By treating them like women they cannot develop, because they don't really develop like women. They basically treat everyone the same, in a feminine way, because masculinity is evil. that is the ideology. 

Men need much more rigor, structure , challenge, accountability, peer pressure, brotherhood, purpose. Purpose because they will need to endure suffering, they won't do that if they don't have a good cause.

They tear down the old system without replacing it with a new, better one. I think this was said before on this tread if I remember right. 

I get that the old system is dysfunctional, but if you don't understand how this works, better stay away. They are basically playing with fire thinking it is not a big deal. Like a cocky diy-er that kills himself by trying to fix his electrical system in the house. The problem is that is this case we are talking about, they are hurting everyone.

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