How Feminism Became The West's New Moral Authority

[AION]

The egoism of our time

It is always me me me.

It is important to not get gaslighted and keep your own frame

Being anti main culture boils down to keep your own frame and giving it away

Women have a six sense sensing your frame. I was playing with this yesterday and if you 100% believe in your own frame and don't ping, weak men and women attack you, just for existing

If you are not constantly being shit tested by women and weak men you are doing something wrong.

Edited Sunday at 04:48 PM by AION

[Elliott]

The patriarchy was so good to women, how can they be such fools! Think about the incels you're killing, ladies!!

 

 

U.S. News & World Report

https://www.usnews.com

States With the Highest Divorce Rates

Feb 13, 2024 — 

year per 1,000 women age 15 and over:

Arkansas (11.85)

Wyoming (11.01)

Kentucky (9.92)

West Virginia (9.66)

Oklahoma (9.34)

Idaho (9.24)

Alabama (9.09)

Delaware (9.08)

Tennessee (9.06)

 

 

 

These are the states with the lowest divorce rates in the U.S., measured as the number of women divorced within the last year per 1,000 women age 15 and over:

 

Vermont (4.65)

New Jersey (5.16)

Alaska (5.46)

Minnesota (5.67)

New York (5.71)

Illinois (5.71)

California (5.88)

Pennsylvania (5.93)

Massachusetts (5.93)

Wisconsin (5.94)

Edited Sunday at 11:13 PM by Elliott

[Basman]

I like feminism and I think it's good overall, but there are certain aspects of it that are problematic and has had negative consequences for society. A lot of men feel displaced today in large part due to feminism and how it treats men via cultural attitudes, institutions, etc. There is a lot of male resentment floating about.

The issue is that discussing feminism in a critical way is taboo. It makes it harder to make sense of it all. It's part of our liberal dogma that feminism is purely good.

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Basman said:

I like feminism and I think it's good overall, but there are certain aspects of it that are problematic and has had negative consequences for society. A lot of men feel displaced today in large part due to feminism and how it treats men via cultural attitudes, institutions, etc. There is a lot of male resentment floating about.

The issue is that discussing feminism in a critical way is taboo. It makes it harder to make sense of it all. It's part of our liberal dogma that feminism is purely good.

I'm interested in what you're talking about.

[something_else]

9 hours ago, Basman said:

I like feminism and I think it's good overall, but there are certain aspects of it that are problematic and has had negative consequences for society. A lot of men feel displaced today in large part due to feminism and how it treats men via cultural attitudes, institutions, etc. There is a lot of male resentment floating about.

The issue is that discussing feminism in a critical way is taboo. It makes it harder to make sense of it all. It's part of our liberal dogma that feminism is purely good.

Most liberal systems have flaws, but they’re all generally better than whatever came before. Nobody argues they’re perfect, just an improvement. Yes modern feminism may make some men’s lives harder but it replaced a system that made the vast majority of women’s lives miserable. The goal is to eventually dial on a system that maximises quality of life for everybody relatively equally.

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The egoism of our time

It’s always me me me 

The irony is that everything you wrote after this is itself very egotistical. This whole frame story you’re telling yourself is your ego tricking you into believing whatever survival system it thinks benefits it the most. You’ve essentially convinced yourself that anybody who disagrees with you is just trying to test your frame, which is just about the worst possible position to approach any kind of genuine truth-seeking from.

[Raze]

2 hours ago, something_else said:

Yes modern feminism may make some men’s lives harder but it replaced a system that made the vast majority of women’s lives miserable. 

What’s your evidence for this? Female happiness has overall declined since they started recording in the 70s, and women report higher levels of alcoholism, anxiety, depression, etc.

[Basman]

47 minutes ago, something_else said:

Most liberal systems have flaws, but they’re all generally better than whatever came before. Nobody argues they’re perfect, just an improvement. Yes modern feminism may make some men’s lives harder but it replaced a system that made the vast majority of women’s lives miserable. The goal is to eventually dial on a system that maximises quality of life for everybody relatively equally.

The irony is that everything you wrote after this is itself very egotistical. This whole frame story you’re telling yourself is your ego tricking you into believing whatever survival system it thinks benefits it the most. You’ve essentially convinced yourself that anybody who disagrees with you is just trying to test your frame, which is just about the worst possible position to approach any kind of genuine truth-seeking from.

It tore down old systems without replacing them constructively as it operates inherently on negatives. Feminism rejects men and traditional femininity with no alternatives besides economic self-sufficiency. There's an element of hatred and mistrust of men throughout the movement. This is fairly obvious to observe.

Be careful of trying to flatten criticism. It's part of the dogma that I'm pointing out. It's a significant issue that so many men feel excluded from society, not only in dating but also in declining education and employment. It feeds directly into democratic decline and an overall more institutionally toxic society long-term.

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

I'm interested in what you're talking about.

This guy talks about it at about the 13 minute mark for a bit.

Teal Swan also talks about it to an extend as well as Vlad Vexler.

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Basman said:

It tore down old systems without replacing them constructively as it operates inherently on negatives. Feminism rejects men and traditional femininity with no alternatives besides economic self-sufficiency. There's an element of hatred and mistrust of men throughout the movement. This is fairly obvious to observe.

Be careful of trying to flatten criticism. It's part of the dogma that I'm pointing out. It's a significant issue that so many men feel excluded from society, not only in dating but also in declining education and employment. It feeds directly into democratic decline and an overall more institutionally toxic society long-term.

 

 

Why don't any of you point to any specific issue men are having, "exclusion" is not specific. I'm a straight white male and modern feminists go out of their way to be nice and interact with me, they approach me, they invite me back to their place, they buy me breakfast, honest to god.

As a straight white male, it seems like an absurd claim. No one excludes me, resents me, vilifies me.

They do vilify, this is not ironic, the same guys on here raging about feminism, the same ones asking how to get laid with pickup or tinder. They vilify being objectified, you guys just don't understand that you objectify women, they owe you nothing. You're literally not owed a wife.

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[Elliott]

14 hours ago, Basman said:

 

This guy talks about it at about the 13 minute mark for a bit.

Teal Swan also talks about it to an extend as well as Vlad Vexler.

He blames women for the relationship problem while acknowledging what he calls "pump-n-dump" sex, casual sex. Feminists aren't the casual sex pump n dump girls, that's exactly what feminists oppose, it's what incels and conservatives glorify.

The guy is advocating for objectifying women, women should submit to a man as his object. The same issue with "pump n dump", is apparently okay if they marry.

He's strawmanning feminist movement, "taking over all institutions!" "Women are now more psychopathic and narcissist" where are the female serial killers @Basman ? He actually says they're at the same level as men now(wrong) but still, why are women required to be more the victim? This is explicit anti-equality.

Edited 10 hours ago by Elliott

[enchanted]

Careful with complaining about feminism it's no better than those annoying women who blame the patriarchy for literally everything. 

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Elliott said:

This guy is hysterical, he blames women for the relationship problem while acknowledging what he calls "pump-n-dump" sex, casual sex. Feminists aren't the casual sex pump n dump girls, that's exactly what feminists oppose, it's what INCELS and 'alphas' are into.

 

 Feminists are responsible for that because they advocated dismantling the traditional “patriarchal” structures. Which include social conditioning related to encouraging chastity and marriage which kept a lid on it.

Notice how it becomes more common and normalized the more feminist society becomes. 

Phenomenon like “incels” and “alpha ideology” are just symptoms.

This is one problem with feminism wherein when a negative aspect of their ideology occurs rather than acknowledge it they just blame men / the patriarchy even when it’s the opposite. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Raze

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Need to differentiate between feminism and misandry.

I lot of flat out disgusting misandry is smuggled in under the guise of 'feminism'.

[Hojo]

Back in tribal times they had it 1 way not both ways.The tribe either worshipped masculine or feminine. When it goes both ways all of a sudden massive confusion happens. If the men lead and woman follow the society knows how to function. If woman lead and men follow society knows how to function. Now that its switching to a feminine oriented from masculine the society says ???????. When two people lead the dance they both fall over. Thats why you have a leader when you dance and a follower.

Feminism is like the man leading the dancing and the woman saying, no dance like this, like this, like this. Then man stumbles over his own feet. Then the man goes ok you lead then, cause I dont know how to dance like that, Ill let you lead. And the woman does nothing. Then they stop interacting.

The man dont have a problem letting the woman lead but they wont lead either. Just complain that they dont get a say in how the man leads his dance. Imagine telling a peacock not the spread its feathers a certain way. Bro the peacock is just doing its thing dont like it find another peacock.

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[Kid A]

13 hours ago, Raze said:

What’s your evidence for this? Female happiness has overall declined since they started recording in the 70s, and women report higher levels of alcoholism, anxiety, depression, etc.

This is really interesting. I haven't seen the movie, but I think this speech explains it pretty good:

 

Modern women seem to be trapped between men's, women's and not least their own expectations. She doesn't even mention the menstruation issue in all of this...

[Basman]

11 minutes ago, Kid A said:

Modern women seem to be trapped between men's, women's and not least their own expectations. She doesn't even mention the menstruation issue in all of this...

I don't think barbies menstruate...

[Basman]

You don't need to menstruate when your factory produced in a south-east Asian sweat shop.

[Elliott]

12 hours ago, Raze said:

 Feminists are responsible for that because they advocated dismantling the traditional “patriarchal” structures. Which include social conditioning related to encouraging chastity and marriage which kept a lid on it.

Notice how it becomes more common and normalized the more feminist society becomes. 

Phenomenon like “incels” and “alpha ideology” are just symptoms.

This is one problem with feminism wherein when a negative aspect of their ideology occurs rather than acknowledge it they just blame men / the patriarchy even when it’s the opposite. 

No they're not. Feminism has nothing to do with banning chastity. Feminism has to do with a woman was only allowed to sleep with one man (they were chattel) while men were unrestricted. 

Where did Feminism ban men's chastity? Are you okay, women need to be chaste?!!!!! Why don't men choose chastity then? We have 5% of this forum on about how to get laid(as men). The same people that hate feminism are the same "pump n dump" guys. Try critical thinking, for a change of pace.

Bro, you lie on every thread. Quit engaging my comments.

Feminists oppose objectifying women, "pump n dump" , it's conservatives like you that glorify it, 'women are chattel'. I actually no longer care about incels like you, I'm making the choice right now, i do not care at all about the suicide statistic anymore, as you put it "you are responsible for that". You're calling for women to be property. Misogynist mind virus, just another example of your handlers trying to sow division and distraction.

The world will be better without the mysoginists. However they die is up to God 🥂. How's that patriarchy, for ya.

-straight white man

Edited 7 hours ago by Elliott

[something_else]

13 hours ago, Raze said:

What’s your evidence for this? Female happiness has overall declined since they started recording in the 70s, and women report higher levels of alcoholism, anxiety, depression, etc.

The decline in female happiness you’re referencing is primarily observed in US data from the 1970s onward. It’s not a universal global trend.

Even within the US, that data shows correlation, not causation. If you’re suggesting that modern feminism is related to declining happiness, the burden is on you to demonstrate that link. A huge number of structural changes occurred over that period, not just modern feminism.

The fact that similar feminist movements occurred across Western countries without a comparable decline in women’s happiness weakens the claim of a direct causal relationship.

And even if wellbeing were flat or slightly down, that wouldn’t automatically mean legal and social equality was a net negative.

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, something_else said:

The decline in female happiness you’re referencing is primarily observed in US data from the 1970s onward. It’s not a universal global trend.

Even within the US, that data shows correlation, not causation. If you’re suggesting that modern feminism is related to declining happiness, the burden is on you to demonstrate that link. A huge number of structural changes occurred over that period, not just modern feminism.

The fact that similar feminist movements occurred across Western countries without a comparable decline in women’s happiness weakens the claim of a direct causal relationship.

And even if wellbeing were flat or slightly down, that wouldn’t automatically mean legal and social equality was a net negative.

That liar @Raze would post an almost identical chart to show the 'devastation by capitalism'.

[something_else]

13 hours ago, Basman said:

It tore down old systems without replacing them constructively as it operates inherently on negatives. Feminism rejects men and traditional femininity with no alternatives besides economic self-sufficiency. There's an element of hatred and mistrust of men throughout the movement. This is fairly obvious to observe.

Feminism does not really operate inherently on negatives. The goal is legal and economic equality between genders, this is not a negative framing.

In general women have felt distrust towards men since the dawn of humanity, or at least as far back as records show. Men have always raped and abused women at fairly high rates so it's hardly surprising there is an inherent distrust. Feminism just made it more acceptable to voice this distrust publicly.

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It's a significant issue that so many men feel excluded from society, not only in dating but also in declining education and employment. It feeds directly into democratic decline and an overall more institutionally toxic society long-term.

This is a valid point. However if some men feel excluded, the solution isn’t to roll back women’s autonomy. It’s to ask why certain groups of men are struggling to adapt to new economic and social conditions and figure out a solution to that.