You've been brainwashed about Taiwan

[Cred]

Quote (Jeffrey Sachs) "[...] The US is playing a game. It's a dreadfully dangerous, misguided game. I hope people in Taiwan understand, my god. I said to the Ukrainians: "do you really want to be the Afghanistan of Europe?" And I would say to the Taiwanese: "Do you really want to be the Ukrainians of East Asia?" The answer is absolutely no. [...]".

Edited Friday at 10:52 PM by Cred

[CosmicTrekker]

The tapestry of the evolution of human understanding is present here, as it it everywhere else. I'm no political analyst, but it should be self evident to any non-partisan external observer that there is no underlying fundamental truth to a particular political perspective.

However, in the case of Taiwan, the only reason that it sustains continued existence as a separate political entity from the rest of China is purely due to the political machinations of the west. It is not for the protection of a politicallyl proclaimed democratic ideal, but rather a mechanism to maintain western self-interests. 

[CosmicTrekker]

Just an addendum to explain further: 

Chinese and Taiwanese are the same. We can say that they are cousins, or brothers, but what we're saying is that they share the same roots as one another. 

All, I'm, saying is that whatever political differences exist between these brothers/cousins/people, could easily have been sorted, if there was not the geopolitical machinations of external entities that seek to maintain their own influences. 

I hope that one day that the people of China/Taiwan can sort out their political differences without the undue influences of external vested interests, that would just unneccessarily prolong the suffering of average man on the street in either political division. 

[CosmicTrekker]

Craziness leads to this: 

 

But craziness, is the zeitgeist flavour at the moment. 

[Raze]

Taiwan has a fertility rate in the toilet. China just needs to fix their own fertility rate and wait 50 years then they can walk right in. 

[Joseph Maynor]

I've been to Taiwan.  Some of the best people I have ever met.  Great food.  Great scenery.  It's called the Heart of Asia.  It's western-leaning and they love the US.  There's a Japanese and Chinese influence.  I've been to China too; Taiwan is not really like China.  It's a very unique place.  Very independent.  Has an island culture vibe which is cool.

[Nercohype]

I don't trust that video. Major propaganda vibes

[Basman]

Too much of US survival is tied up to Taiwan currently. Concession are non-negotiable. The majority of Taiwanese don't want to be part of China either. 

It wouldn't be the first time a tankie tried to gaslight people into victimblaming and putting the onus of responsibility for avoiding war on the victim instead of the aggressor.

Violence is correct when facing territorial aggression. It's on the aggressor to not invade sovereign territory. 

[LordFall]

23 hours ago, CosmicTrekker said:

However, in the case of Taiwan, the only reason that it sustains continued existence as a separate political entity from the rest of China is purely due to the political machinations of the west. It is not for the protection of a politicallyl proclaimed democratic ideal, but rather a mechanism to maintain western self-interests. 

Only 5-15% of Taiwanese report wanting unification with China, where are you getting the idea that the west is the force keeping Taiwan sovereign? 

[Pox]

On 2/6/2026 at 5:36 PM, Cred said:

Quote (Jeffrey Sachs) "[...] The US is playing a game. It's a dreadfully dangerous, misguided game. I hope people in Taiwan understand, my god. I said to the Ukrainians: "do you really want to be the Afghanistan of Europe?" And I would say to the Taiwanese: "Do you really want to be the Ukrainians of East Asia?" The answer is absolutely no. [...]".

Fuck no, I'm mainland chinese and i fully support taiwan, may they never get invaded by china

[Pox]

On 2/7/2026 at 3:46 AM, Nercohype said:

I don't trust that video. Major propaganda vibes

yeah the channel also has a video on xinjiang, definitely propaganda vibes

[Raze]

On 2/7/2026 at 4:38 AM, Basman said:

Too much of US survival is tied up to Taiwan currently. Concession are non-negotiable. The majority of Taiwanese don't want to be part of China either. 

It wouldn't be the first time a tankie tried to gaslight people into victimblaming and putting the onus of responsibility for avoiding war on the victim instead of the aggressor.

Violence is correct when facing territorial aggression. It's on the aggressor to not invade sovereign territory. 

Having the right to do something is not the same as it being the right move to do something.

Even if the aggressor is responsible, its also the responsibility of the leadership of the victims side to mitigate harm and pursue the best outcome, even if it’s unfair. 

[Basman]

6 hours ago, Pox said:

Fuck no, I'm mainland chinese and i fully support taiwan, may they never get invaded by china

 

[Basman]

6 hours ago, Raze said:

Having the right to do something is not the same as it being the right move to do something.

Even if the aggressor is responsible, its also the responsibility of the leadership of the victims side to mitigate harm and pursue the best outcome, even if it’s unfair. 

Acquiescing to territorial aggression and seceding sovereignty is unaceptable and can only happen as the result of defeat. 

Stop trying to whitewash aggressors as moral. Your doing their dirty work. You won't have a communist utopia if authoritarians take over the world.

[Breakingthewall]

Taiwan has been Chinese for 400 years; its inhabitants are ethnic Chinese, Chinese who fled the communist revolution.

The problem is that it was colonized by several powers, including Imperial Japan, which left a strong imprint. It's the only place where the Japanese didn't behave like psychopaths.

The problem is that for the Chinese, the Japanese issue is very serious, a wound like the Holocaust for the Jews. And Taiwan is linked to Japan. It's a constant wound in Chinese identity.

[Joseph Maynor]

16 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Taiwan has been Chinese for 400 years; its inhabitants are ethnic Chinese, Chinese who fled the communist revolution.

The problem is that it was colonized by several powers, including Imperial Japan, which left a strong imprint. It's the only place where the Japanese didn't behave like psychopaths.

The problem is that for the Chinese, the Japanese issue is very serious, a wound like the Holocaust for the Jews. And Taiwan is linked to Japan. It's a constant wound in Chinese identity.

Chinese mixed with Indigenous people.  What's cool about Taiwan is all the temples are still standing.  The Japanese influence is also present as well as a Western influence.  Culturally, Taiwan is very different from China.   

[Ramasta9]

I mean, most people have been brainwashed about almost everything... let alone a single topic or subject, especially the western system, full of lies to keep people enslaved and suppress critical thinkers and prevent creating truly intelligent individuals who naturally become a threat to systems of enslavement and idiocracy. I mean just watch a video of trump in office doing debates, its like a reality tv show staged-level. 

People only don't wear chains these days, but most of us are still enslaved and brainwashed to various degrees.

Why is the general food, water and air supply systematically poisoned and toxic? Why is media full of garbage? I can go all day...

You can connect the dots very easily if you detach and contemplate deep enough, the conspiracy theorists aren't so far from the truth.

The delivery is the challenging part. Its like being in a dream trying to tell everyone their all dreaming and need to wake up.

What happens? you get attacked and called crazy, crucified ect... cause you can see what they don't cause they are still under the spell... mostly from what they feed themselves on a daily basis, that shapes them from inside out, creating perfectly obedient zombies or bio-robots, only smart enough to get by, but not to too intelligent to think beyond the mouse wheel they are running on to actualize recognize and step off the merry go round.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Chinese mixed with Indigenous people.  What's cool about Taiwan is all the temples are still standing.  The Japanese influence is also present as well as a Western influence.  Culturally, Taiwan is very different from China.   

Yes I can imagine. The problem is that China harbors a deep sense of humiliation from European colonialism and the Japanese invasion. For thousands of years, China considered itself the pinnacle of human civilization, the celestial empire. Then it was utterly humiliated by the British and massacred by the Japanese.

Taiwan is what remains of European and Japanese colonialism, and this is unacceptable to China; there is no room for negotiation. Chinese identity demands Taiwan for a return to equilibrium, and sooner or later it will have it. It is simply waiting for the right moment

[Lyubov]

6 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes I can imagine. The problem is that China harbors a deep sense of humiliation from European colonialism and the Japanese invasion. For thousands of years, China considered itself the pinnacle of human civilization, the celestial empire. Then it was utterly humiliated by the British and massacred by the Japanese.

Taiwan is what remains of European and Japanese colonialism, and this is unacceptable to China; there is no room for negotiation. Chinese identity demands Taiwan for a return to equilibrium, and sooner or later it will have it. It is simply waiting for the right moment

I'm all for funding Taiwan's military then. Any country that chooses war instead of diplomacy I hope has plenty of pushback. Taiwan does not pose an existential threat to mainland China existing as a separate state and country now. 

Russia has a slightly stronger argument with not wanting Ukraine to join NATO but Taiwan poses almost no geographic military or economic threat to China.