Yes, learning about Neurodiversity will solve your Problems lmao

[Cred]

One type of objection that I saw during my quest of convincing everyone they're Neurodivergent (ND) goes something like this:

"I think that some people might tend to cling to these Labels is out of hope it might solve their problems"

To read this sentence on this forum is kinda funny to me. You think you are seeing through their self-deception but have you ever critically considered that the reason they might do that is BECAUSE IT'S TRUE???????

Is this really so hard to believe??? Is it really so hard to believe that you get to have a good life????? Is it really so hard to believe that you get to live a life without

• chronic stress
• chronic neck pain
• chronic back pain
• chronic jaw pain
• chronic I did not know that you could have chronic pain in this body part but here we go
• chronic migraine
• chronic my whole body feels like fucking sandpaper in a blender
• chronic why isn't she responding to the text I sent her that might very well contain every word in the Bible
• chronic fatigue
• chronic overstimulation
• chronic I'm on the internet all day trying to prove people wrong. Also I hate myself
• chronic burnout
• chronic I don't have burnout I just sometimes lie in bed all day, but it's just because I'm not self-helping well enough absolutely not because of burnout no no no burnout not me no
• chronic depression
• chronic I don't have depression I just sometimes lie in bed all day, but it's just because I'm not self-helping well enough absolutely not because of depression no no no depression not me no no
• chronic asshole bleeding
• chronic talking to a girl might as well be mission fucking impossible starring Tom Cruise
• chronic people suck they get on my nerves
• chronic loneliness
• chronic I'm not lonely, I'm just better than everyone. Also I'm lonely.
• and last but not least
• wait for it
• 🥁
• chronic       fucking       BITCHLESSNESS????????????

Learning how to learn to live a life suitable to your personal N 

In future posts I plan to go into detail about:

• Why learning about ND solves all your problems.
• Examples in what way ND can solve all your problems.
• Examples from my own life. (Oversharing is a strength of mine since I'm autistic 💅)

Also about more of the objections like:

• Labels bad
• Don't you throw these goddamn labels at me dipshit (totally fair objection honestly lol)
• I've done an online test, and It says I have low autism you nerd

Is the weird bunny creature trolling? Yes but no. I'm having a lot of fun truth-pilling the truth community, but I'm 100% serious about my core message

Edited 31 minutes ago by Cred
Removed the "all" from the title. Too hyperbole. It was an impulsive decision.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Quite the claim. 

Burden of proof.

[Cred]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Quite the claim. 

Burden of proof.

Correct. Also sorry that it is not written in inclusive language. Of course this also applies to dickless dickless people

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Cred said:

Correct. Also sorry that it is not written in inclusive language. Of course this also applies to dickless dickless people

I didn't even notice 🙃

Identifying as female is so low on my radar I do often miss inclusive type stuff. 

[Rilles]

Wish you would write more posts on this topic, four threads about the same thing is rookie numbers. 

[theleelajoker]

So you say learning about yourself, understanding yourself will help you to live a better life?

Sounds good but it's not exactly news, is it?

[Rigel]

You don’t sound like it solved anything for you.

[Jannes]

Learning about adhd and coping mechanisms helped me a ton, thats for sure. 

If I can solve every problem through knowing about adhd mechanisms I dont know. 

[LambdaDelta]

Be more accurate to say it is important to learn about and can fill in crucial gaps for you that are rarely discussed/explained properly, but 'all problems' is an overstatement (well, gotta clickbait somehow 😉). I'm one of the most neurodivergent motherfuckers out there. Some mix of ADHD, asexuality, psychopathy, autism, and perhaps a touch of schizophrenia in varying proportions. Plus a couple rare genetic mutations having to do with metabolism and the like. Why is accepting ND an issue? It's neither a point of pride nor something to be ashamed of, and whether your 'symptoms' are empowering or debilitating (almost always it's a tradeoff of both), just work with that. 
Though this isn't the spirituality section, one personal counterexample to your claim is love. Before my first few mystical experiences I had no clue what that thing is. People grieving after terrorist attacks, getting into romantic relationships, friendships, patriotism, protecting the environment, etc., it didn't compute. And no amount of studying autism/psychopathy or whatever ND trait responsible would enable me to feel love. Only an awakening to absolute, existential Love did that, which I now understand deeper than almost any human on the planet. But it's all twistedly interconnected, the reason I could have that awakening in the first place is because I was extremely open to psychedelics due to high risk tolerance and low fear response (from ND), which made even terrifying aspects of Love a cakewalk. However, I wasn't aware of that back then and only recognized in retrospect. Now, my baseline emotional sensitivity is still bottom of the barrel, nothing to be done about that, but at least I've developed high emotional intelligence derived from an understanding of bias, attachment, limitation, fear, anger, and finitude as aspects of existential Love. No other method for such a case.
Now, a counterexample to my own counterexample that supports your point is that you can't, for instance, meditate or awaken your way out of ADHD/Schizophrenia. There, medication is required, and the sooner you accept that the better. And yet it's still hairy, as the diagnosis has to be airtight, free of any self-deception, otherwise trouble ensues.

I don't have anything against labels as long as they aren't used to play the victim or justify some selfish behaviors. Then it becomes a tool of the devil instead of a way of self-knowing. 

 

[Cred]

52 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

I don't have anything against labels as long as they aren't used to play the victim or justify some selfish behaviors. Then it becomes a tool of the devil instead of a way of self-knowing. 

I agree with everything you said, except this one. I don't think this happens like at all in practice. This is like claiming that trans women have transitioned to crush girls in sports or harass women in woman's bathrooms. People don't just claim these kinds of labels on a whim. Quite the opposite, they are afraid of them and reject them (initially).

You seem to be pretty deep in your journey. You might be deeper in than me and also have more severe ND than me. I don't have much to teach you. But I want to defend my use of rhetoric by offering a thought experiment. Imagine you would wake up tomorrow and have forgotten everything you ever learned about ND. How would that impact your life?

You must be aware that a lot of people here are at that exact point. These are the people I'm speaking to.

[Cred]

2 hours ago, Rilles said:

Wish you would write more posts on this topic, four threads about the same thing is rookie numbers. 

Thanks for the encouragement! I was actually wondering if what I do falls under excessive posting lol. As you can see by my posts count, I'm only active since quite recently 

[Cred]

2 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

So you say learning about yourself, understanding yourself will help you to live a better life?

Sounds good but it's not exactly news, is it?

Yes. If you accept that you are part of ND and are willing to learn about it and make it influence your life choices, then this post is not targeted at you. 

I encourage you to completely study the breadth and depth of all the genetic variations far far beyond NT vs ND and then totally deconstruct everything and come up with a new perspective.

Constructing and deconstructing act like yin and yang. Opposites are at the same time interdependent and in conflict with another in Hegelian terms. (Did I learn this yesterday? Yes. Do I know what I'm saying? Perhaps)

I don't think we disagree as much as you might think

Edited 3 hours ago by Cred

[Lyubov]

Your writing is very convoluted and unclear. Your recent threads are like a pile of cables all tangled up. I’m happy that this has helped you but I would slow down and try to refine what you are saying and be more concise. I would find that more helpful in understanding your perspective.

[LambdaDelta]

27 minutes ago, Cred said:

I don't think this happens like at all in practice. This is like claiming that trans women have transitioned to crush girls in sports or harass women in woman's bathrooms. People don't just claim these kinds of labels on a whim. Quite the opposite, they are afraid of them and reject them (initially).

To clarify my point, I didn't mean anything intentionally malicious like that, the clip was just a meme that came to mind on the spot. An example would be using ADHD as an excuse for failing your classes because "it's simply impossible for me to sit down and focus on studying the exam material like everyone else, you wouldn't understand" — that's one I've used for many years and only recently put a stop to by taking responsibility. Or an addiction-prone person (also something I'm familiar with, runs in the family. I'd call that ND too.) demanding endless second chances and tolerance of their destructive behaviors while refusing to take any degree of accountability and continuing to hurt their loved ones by lying, stealing, or what have you. In both cases, the internal victim-abuser dynamic is intricately intertwined, and none of it is done consciously. From what I hear, Bojack Horseman is a show that depicts this sort of thing very well. I don't disagree whatsoever that rejection and fear are common reactions, it's only natural to want to fit in and whatnot. 
Just saying that it's a double-edged sword, neither of the two extremes (being completely ignorant of the label &or rejecting it vs. embracing it so fully it's what defines and limits you) are healthy. Balance, as always, is key.  
 

1 hour ago, Cred said:

Imagine you would wake up tomorrow and have forgotten everything you ever learned about ND. How would that impact your life?

It would certainly be a major setback, I'd be left in a state of confusion for a time and then have to develop my understanding from scratch. On the other hand, sometimes wiping the slate clean can be a good thing. Whether it would be so in this case, I don't know. It's a nuanced matter.   
 

1 hour ago, Cred said:

You must be aware that a lot of people here are at that exact point. These are the people I'm speaking to.

Yes, I can appreciate that. And the desire to help is admirable. However, looking at some of the responses here and in other threads, a change of delivery style, tone, structure, formatting, etc. would get the message across clearer and therefore serve people better. What the post above mine said. In a world where we communicate through language, even the deepest truths don't count for much without proper articulation.   

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Cred said:

I don't think we disagree as much as you might think

You probably are right about that.

As addition to what you wrote above, I recommend to maximize body awareness.

[Carl-Richard]

I suggest to not make any more new threads on the topic for a while. Please keep your new ideas to existing thread(s).

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

If I can offer my semi-educated opinion as a long-time member of this forum and actually having studied these things in school, I would say maybe 20-25% of the forum is autistic (in the "noticeable enough to label" sense; it's still a spectrum, it's still only my subjective assessment). Neurodivergence is of course a different story, but again, I don't really find it as a deeply groundbreaking concept.

I remember in class one student explaining his choice of topic for a project and he quite invariantly used the word "narratives", and then the professor (German, from abroad, aware of how language works) was like "you know narratives is just another word for stories, right?". And he was like "yeah" and then continued using the word. I feel so many apparent disagreements can be solved by simply acknowledging the concepts behind the words.

Edited 7 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[integration journey]

4 hours ago, Jannes said:

Learning about adhd and coping mechanisms helped me a ton, thats for sure. 

If I can solve every problem through knowing about adhd mechanisms I dont know. 

What was your best learning resources? 

[Jannes]

2 minutes ago, integration journey said:

What was your best learning resources? 

The Audiobook ADHD 2.0 was quite helpful. I gathered a lot of information from different sources though. Youtube, self help groups, Audiobooks and of course your creative intelligence has to put it to good use. 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Those are very oddly specific lmfao especially the ass bleeding. Gotta be carefull with the choice of your toilet paper, maybe smoother surfaces next time? LOL