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Leo can't fix you because you are Neurodivergent

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1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is true.  But how does one develop this consistency? -- which requires a change -- or else there would be no problem.

It depends on your uniqueness. How do you experience reality? What is consistency? 

The catch is that there is no one to really do it for yourself. Society teaches you to look for solutions outside of yourself, to mirror other people. 

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1 hour ago, Cred said:

So my advice regarding consistency is the same as with hard work. Try to avoid it.

The problem is that we can't reinvent society from scratch to fit specific kinds of minds. It is sad. This is why you can learn to fit or you have to create new kinds of ways to navigate reality and survive on planet earth.

Whatever you do in this world, you need process, steps, consistency, beginning, medium and end, actions, direction, clarity,

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@PenguinPablo

The emotion was listening and the person was smiling gently . No emotional multiple choice and there's no way to know.

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4 hours ago, Cred said:

This was not a real manic crash out. “Yes, learning about ND will solve your problems Lmao” was a manic crash out I give you that. Also, the response I initially prepared is a manic crash out (It’s really fun I need to post it somewhere, so people can admire it lol). But do you really think this tiny crash out wasn’t even a little bit justified? 

You need to realize that “I don’t really have any hobbies” is an incredibly disingenuous argument. Also, it’s not even true. Do you really think that collecting masks and fossils does not count as a hobby just because he posts about it in his blog? Give me a break. He obviously lied to weasel himself out of this discussion (in some ways this is fair, he is a busy man after all. I’m not inherently against weaseling). That’s already bad and worth a little crash out. But what’s even worse is the possibility that he didn’t just lie to us, but he also lied to himself (which is actually more likely imo).

Post it if you like, we all have the guilty pleasure of watching public meltdowns/freakouts. But in the end you'll have to decide what is your highest priority — having fun or getting the message across; there are tricky & delicate ways to do both, but the secondary must necessarily be sacrificed and compromised in service of the primary.  
And no, I don't think it's justified even if what you say in the next paragraph is the reality of the situation, because I hold myself to certain standards of emotional maturity, which includes maintaining self-control even in (or rather, especially) the face of offense. More fundamentally, your interpretation could simply be wrong. 

The content of his comment is irrelevant, whether it's factually true or not is not the issue. Consider that people feel justified trolling your posts because they're presented in a way conducive to that. What you perceive as a serious, albeit dishonest argument, in reality is nothing more than a snarky offhand comment (there's also the possibility that what each of you defines as a 'hobby' differs drastically, but there's not enough time in the world to explicate such nuance).  
Leo has made multiple asinine and vulgar comments on this forum over the years, but what of it? Think of the entirety of Actualized.org as a building — the rooftop is the channel videos and course(s) where you breathe pristine air of philosophy, middle & ground floors are the blog/booklist, and the forum is the basement — a testing ground for new ideas and a platform to connect to like-minded people on the best of days, but usually just a cesspool of spiritual ego clashes, repetitive & trivial platitudes, shitposting, whining and venting about politics or dating or whatever. Even if you start a serious discussion presented in a proper manner, it likely still won't get any significant engagement, while the garbage has dozens of pages, but the quality of posts in such threads will itself be garbage. The truth is that we're not as different from other communities as we like to believe.  
Didn't Leo say time and time again that humans do not care about truth, that not caring about truth is corruption, and that he's still not above corruption? Connect the dots, there's your answer. 
I say this while having my own disagreements with the guy, particularly regarding the imprecise and inefficient ways of administering psychedelics he continues to promote (sometimes even using toxic masculine rhetoric) without realizing they really only work so well due to his uniquely sensitive genetics but yield mediocre results for the average person, or his repeated failures to deliver on courses promised (alien awakening, subconscious reprogramming). He doesn't even reply to my posts anymore, which I briefly used to take personally, but it obviously isn't, and even if it were, I don't care; in fact it was a healthy and necessary experience to unburden myself from dependency on approval and attention of someone I look up to. What's the solution? In the former case, I say my piece, lay out the arguments, and move on; whether it's taken under advisement is neither my concern nor responsibility, as I'm not the one wasting my trips/substances, sharing my knowledge is contribution enough. In the latter, I take it upon myself to develop and implement these techniques from scratch, and if the courses finally end up materializing, I'll still take them and find positive synergies that'll create something greater than the sum of its parts. Sovereignty of mind, interpretation, recontextualization, content vs. structure, self-awareness, truthful perception, holistic & strategic thinking — all these core teachings are at play here. Instead of focusing on Leo's inadequacies, which is a distraction, treat it as an opportunity to test how much you actually understand and are able to effectively utilize these principles. Speaking from experience, chances are you're in for a rude awakening, which is why that's the last thing anyone wants to do. 
 

4 hours ago, Cred said:

It's necessary to note, that I'm more strict with Leo than with other people here, not because of ego, but because it is his responsibility to help this community to heal. Much more than it is my responsibility.

Your responsibility is to hold yourself accountable, not him. That's the real work. The standards of integrity and truthfulness you're demanding are so high that this ironically makes them untruthful. 
And here's the test of your love — are you willing to sacrifice the need to maintain your current incoherent communication style, as a start, in order to practically impart your insights on ND? If not, well, that's just the current extent of it. But it gets worse. This year I'll create the most extensive guide to psychedelics to date, which will require at least 100 hours of work and performing several potentially life-threatening experiments on myself, all the while being fully aware it's quite likely to fall into obscurity or get straight up disallowed because it's "too dangerous" or something. That's how truth and love interrelate in the relative domain — you must clearly see that the vast majority simply won't care no matter what you do, not judging them for it, and yet have faith that just a few will get the message and spread the love in whichever ways they're capable. Which is what Leo has been doing all along, so appreciate and get inspired by it. Well, I suppose you are inspired, but the execution needs a whole lot of adjustment, and that starts with taking a step back and reflecting, not doubling down.

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Since Dr. K seems to talk about both neurodivergence and Puer Aeternus, he should probably talk about the possible tension between them. Because it's easy to use dysfunctionalizing yourself as an excuse to not grow up.


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24 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Since Dr. K seems to talk about both neurodivergence and Puer Aeternus, he should probably talk about the possible tension between them. Because it's easy to use dysfunctionalizing yourself as an excuse to not grow up.

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I don't like when individuals are empowered and don't take responsibility.


It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled.

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