Criticism of Leo: I don't think he understands Islam

[gengar]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

However channeling works, one's corruption and cultural biases will defintely get embedded in it. Channeling is not some pure source of truth.

Can we even call it channeling at that point though? Isn't the idea of a channel that it is to/from something external, like sending a message over the internet, only through psychic means? Why would you still call it channeling?

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You have no idea how much of the Quran they made up and polluted with their corruption and lack of awareness.

Well, if we're anyway going by the myth, his followers seem to have memorized the entire Quran and spread/wrote it from there. They couldn't have made up extra verses or changed verses since there were so many memorizers, so one alteration would be corrected by many other correct memorizers. (almost exactly like how a blockchain works)

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The notion that the Quran was written by Mohammad himself is already false.

Well when people say "wrote" they just mean made up, but ok.

[gengar]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@gengar I don't see why you'd bring up morality in response to my post above. As far as I'm concerned, it's irrelevant to the main point, which is that the goal - experiencing the truth - stands on its own.

Culture, environment, and other factors obviously play an important role in our lives, yet they don't alter that requirement. This kind of ignorance is neither culturally derived nor culturally remedied, because it is existential. The human condition remains unaffected by extraneous factors such as technology and the like. 

Perhaps it's a bit like thinking that our accumulation of knowledge over the years could somehow grow the human body a new foot - or something along those lines.

Fair enough, I think I misread what you said.

[Eskilon]

@Leo Gura Does absolute sex exist?

Is there sex realms where theres infinite beautiful feminine forms for men to take pleasure in?😳

Edited January 17 by Eskilon

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, gengar said:

Can we even call it channeling at that point though? Isn't the idea of a channel that it is to/from something external, like sending a message over the internet, only through psychic means? Why would you still call it channeling?

In the end it is God working through your corrupt finite mind.

2 minutes ago, gengar said:

Well, if we're anyway going by the myth, his followers seem to have memorized the entire Quran and spread/wrote it from there. They couldn't have made up extra verses or changed verses since there were so many memorizers, so one alteration would be corrected by many other correct memorizers.

This is pure Muslim cope.

Of course they corrupted the shit out of it.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Eskilon said:

@Leo Gura Does infinite sex exist?

Is there sex realms where theres infinite beautiful feminine forms for men to take pleasure in?😳

You looking for Paradise, where God lets you fuck whoever you want however much you want. Lol

[Eskilon]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You looking for Paradise, where God lets you fuck whoever you want however much you want. Lol

Cant imagine a condition like that, GOD is GOOD

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Cant imagine a condition like that, GOD is GOOD

In Heaven God lets you fuck whoever you want because it is all just YOU. You are fucking yourself.

That's what LOVE is.

Edited January 17 by Leo Gura

[gengar]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is pure Muslim cope.

Of course they corrupted the shit out of it.

If it's cope then we have to dismiss the entire myth and even Mohammeds historical existence that you assumed previously. You have weird standards

[Leo Gura]

Just now, gengar said:

If it's cope then we have to dismiss the entire myth and even Mohammeds historical existence that you assumed previously. You have weird standards

Well, I am very skeptical of any stories about him.

I do treat it as myth.

[gengar]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You looking for Paradise, where God lets you fuck whoever you want however much you want. Lol

I guess thats the silver lining to realms of absolute evil existing, that such realms must as well.

In the end Leo is just like Mohammed, telling us about God, hell and heaven(where you get to fuck). lol

Edited January 17 by gengar

[gengar]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, I am very skeptical of any stories about him.

I do treat it as myth.

Yeah I got more skeptical about it as well. History gets a lot more messy and less proven to me the more i study it.

[vibv]

16 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Is there sex realms where theres infinite beautiful feminine forms for men to take pleasure in?😳

Sure, but it's a rather crude form of entertainment.

Edited January 17 by vibv

[AndylizedAAY]

On 1/15/2026 at 11:54 PM, Leo Gura said:

Dude, I do not care about literally reading Islam. I read it not according to how Mohammad intended, and not according to how tradition wants, but according to how God actually works.

The way God actually works is, the lesser Jihad is nonsense and the Greater Jihad is what matters for realizing God.

Allah does not favor anyone. Allah does not care what any human does. You could have sex with a goat and Allah will not care. You could wage the best lesser Jihad ever and slay a million demons, and Allah will not care.

I interpret Islam according to how it ought to be in its purest form. I don't parrot their corruptions, obviously. I cut out all the corruption and human confusion.

This is called being charitable. I steelman Islam. You are strawmanning it.

You will never realize Allah by waging a war. And Allah requires no war to defend his honor. War is silly human survival nonsense.

I do not care if Mohammad said it or not, I am telling you how God actually works.

You need to throw all the tradition and literalism out the window.

If you want to define Islam as waging war to gain favor with Allah, then that Isalm is without a doubt bullshit. So the question is, What is the Islam that is not bullshit?

@Leo GuraWhy do you focus more on Islam istead of Chrisitanity? You seem biased. Do both Christians and Muslisms really achieve half a percent in spirituality like you said? How come you didn't apoligized for what you said in the videos for coming off arrogantly when you said that you couldn't into the specifics but rather just said that I'm wrong on the forum? I would like to know why you understand what most people misunderstand about Islam but not Christianity. Someone saying that one does good his entire life contradicts the core teachings of Christianity and what the Bible says about sin and grace (Romans 3:23; Epesians 2:8-9).

 

 

 

You said that God imagines all "hows" so this includes that for self-deception but when it comes right down to it, self-deception happens anyways because of groundlessness only being described and that God isn't limited by any "how". You give the advice to just let an idea die if I notice that something is false It seems like the creation of karma and attachment from past karma represents groundlessness for free will andd pre-determinism regardless if there can be the difference between beings that God imagines later paradoxically since God imagines time just like with there being self-deception or clarity of perception away from self-deception by grace through awareness arising in itself. How you explained free will seem to resemble the Gnostics interpeting the subject of what Jesus said as Source instead of literally himself such as in John 15:5 mentioning the vine and the branches saying "if you remain in me you bear much fruit but apart from me you can do nothing."

 

 

 

How do you decide which religion to focus on when it comes to cutting out the corruption and human confusion? Does it have to do with Muslims going to war because of the love aspect gone missing compared to God as Absolute Truth and divine love mentioned in Christianity; Truth/Love (Exodus 3:14; Malachi 3:6 and 1 John 4:8)?

 

Is your state of consciousness so solid that you can remake videos from scratch? There's a glitch with my computer for the forum and that I got logged out without my work getting saved. I remember you saying at the end of part 1 of some Awakening video that you couldn't repeat what you said but what about for Islam?

 

How do you find out why a perspective exists at all whenever it involves tradition and literalism?  

 

Edited Tuesday at 07:11 PM by AndylizedAAY
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[Jodistrict]

The video below is based on the teachings of the 12 century Sufi Saint Al Arabi.   His conclusions are basically the same as Advaita Vedanta.  But Al Arabi was still a Muslim, considered Islam to be central to his work, and maintained that following Sharia was the only way to gain divine Truth.  According to historians, he had no contact with and couldn’t have been influenced by Vedanta.   The Hindu Saint Ramakrishna verified that both Islam and Christianity were valid paths to Truth.   The negative stuff that we observe are the impurities that have been added by society and politics.

 

 

Edited Friday at 09:47 PM by Jodistrict