Gender Identity Is Total Nonsense

[Hojo]

Just now, Elliott said:

Support for trans is at an all time high.

The reason trump won is because of this gender identity push.

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Elliott You still living in the 50s bro

The New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com

Two Guilty of Murder in Death of a Transgender Teenager

Sep 13, 2005 — The two -- Michael W. Magidson and Jose A. Merel, both 25 -- were found guilty of second-degree murder for the death of Gwen Araujo.

[Elliott]

2000 – Amanda Milan, a 25-year-old transgender woman, was walking by Times Square, Manhattan, New York City, when Dwayne McCuller walked up and began to harass and threaten her.[27] Milan stood up to him and asked him if he wanted to fight.[28] Witnesses said he declined.[27] As he walked away, another young man, Eugene Celestine, told McCuller he had a knife. McCuller grabbed it, and stabbed Milan in the neck.[28] A man named David Anderson reportedly helped McCuller escape from the scene.[27] Milan died soon after at St. Vincent's Hospital.[27] Transgender activist Sylvia Rivera worked towards seeing that Milan's death was investigated, and organized Milan's political funeral along with demonstrations claiming a disconnection of transgender rights from the larger LGBT communities.[29] After Milan's murder, Rivera reformed a transgender activist group, Street Trans Activist Revolutionaries (STAR).[30] Rivera cited the crime among the reasons to add a broad definition of gender to the New York City Human Rights Law.[31]

2001 – Fred Martinez Jr., a transgender 16-year old American from Cortez, Colorado was bludgeoned to death in June 2001 with a rock by an 18-year old man.[32] Martinez' killer was sentenced in 2002 to serve between 4 and 48 years for the murder, and was paroled in 2019.[33]

2002 – Gwen Araujo of Newark, California, a 17-year-old Hispanic transgender girl, was killed by four men, two of whom she had had sexual relations with, who beat and strangled her after discovering she was transgender.[34][35][36] Two defendants were convicted of second-degree murder,[37] but not convicted on the requested hate crime enhancements. The other two defendants pleaded guilty or no contest to voluntary manslaughter. In at least one of the trials, a trans panic defense – an extension of the gay panic defense – was employed.[37][38]

2003 – Nireah Johnson was a 17-year-old African American transgender girl who was murdered along with her friend Brandie Coleman in Indianapolis, Indiana by Paul Moore. Paul Moore was initially sexually attracted to Johnson, and then discovered that she was transgender. This led him to light her car on fire while she and Coleman were inside. Moore was sentenced to 120 years in prison for the murders while his half-brother, Clarence McGee, received a 10-year sentence as an accomplice.[39][unreliable source?]

2003 – Janice Roberts was an American transgender woman who was kidnapped by serial killer William Devin Howell on 18 June. Howell later told an informant that he tried to engage Roberts in a sexual act, and strangled her when he realized that she was transgender.[40]

2003 – Shelby Tracy Tom was a Canadian transgender woman working as a sex worker in North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, who was killed by Jatin Patel on 27 May 2003.[41] According to Patel, while having sex with her, she noticed Tom's surgery scars, and she panicked as a result and strangled her. The prosecutor attempted to classify Tom's death as a hate crime, but Supreme Court of British Columbia Justice Patrick Dohm ruled that the crime was not motivated by hate, because Patel did not know of Tom's transgender identity when meeting her, and thus could not have targeted her for it.[42] Patel's defense attorney used a trans panic defense on her behalf. She pleaded guilty to a charge of manslaughter, and was sentenced to nine years in jail.[43] Patel subsequently came out as a transgender woman.[44]

2006 – Gisberta Salce Júnior, a Brazilian homeless transgender woman, was murdered in Porto, Portugal, by a group of 14 youths between 12 and 16 years old, who tortured and raped her for three days, and finally threw her, still alive, into a well over 15 meters deep, where she drowned. Eleven of the minors received minimal sentences of under 13 months in a semi-open education center of the Instituto de Reinserção Social, and two received sentences of additional education.[45][46] Her death became a symbol of violence against women and the LGBT community, and shortly after, laws protecting trans women were introduced in Portugal.[47]

2007 – Roberto González Onrubia, a transgender man, was killed by two women who had found refuge in his apartment, in Madrid, Spain. Both women had been mistreating Roberto physically and psychologically for a year, before they killed him on 29 August 2007 with a brutal hit on the head. Both women were condemned to 19 years in prison.[48][49][50]

2008 – Angie Zapata was a transgender woman who was murdered on 17 July 2008, in Greeley, Colorado. Her death was the first case involving a transgender victim to be ruled a hate crime.[51] Colorado is one of eleven states that protect transgender victims under hate crime laws in the United States. Allen Andrade, who learned eighteen-year-old Angie was transgender after meeting her and spending several days with her, beat her to death with a fire extinguisher. In his arrest affidavit, Andrade called Zapata "it",[52] and during his trial, a tape was played of a phone conversation in which he told his girlfriend "gay things need to die".[53] Andrade's attorneys used a trans panic defense. On 22 April 2009, Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder, hate crimes, and car/ID theft. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.[54]

2009 -Vicky Hernández, a 25 or 26 year old Honduran transgender woman and activist, was murdered by the Honduran police. Her case prompted Honduras' president to apologize for the crime in 2022, the first case in which a Honduran president apologized for a crime against a member of the LGBT community there.[55][56]

 

[Elliott]

I'm post limited out

 

1991 – Sonia Rescalvo Zafra, a 45-year-old transgender woman, was killed in the Parc de la Ciutadella in Barcelona by six neo-Nazi skinheads who kicked her and her friend Dori repeatedly in the head while they were lying on the floor. Her death spurred the LGBT community to publicly fight against violence.[16][17]

1993 – Brandon Teena, a 21-year-old transgender man, was raped and murdered in Falls City, Nebraska, USA on 31 December.[18] Two men were convicted of first-degree murder in the incident, one of whom was sentenced to death. The crime became the subject of the Academy Award-winning film Boys Don't Cry.[18]

1995 – Chanelle Pickett, a 23-year-old transgender woman, was strangled in Boston, Massachusetts on 20 November after spending the night at a man's apartment. The defendant, William C. Palmer, originally pled what may be the earliest known legal use of the trans panic defense.[19][20][21] However, Palmer abandoned this story after the victim's sister revealed that he had known Pickett and been aware of her trans status.[22] Her death was cited as part of the impetus behind the establishment of Transgender Day of Remembrance.[23]

1996 – Also in Massachusetts, the body of Deborah "Debbie" Forte, a 56-year-old transgender woman, was discovered on 15 May, having been strangled, beaten severely, and stabbed repeatedly in the breasts and chest.[24] Her killer, Michael Thompson, was found guilty of second-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. Thompson's coworker testified that after the murder, Thompson had come to work and confessed that he had gone home with Forte and begun "messing around", before killing her after realizing she had a penis.[25]

1998 – Rita Hester was stabbed to death in her apartment by an unknown assailant. Her murder would become one of the major factors in the establishment of the Transgender Day of Remembrance.[26]

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[Hojo]

What are you trying to prove that transgender people get murdered? This is just showing that men get enraged when you lie about being a woman and have sex with them.

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[LordFall]

Yes gender is a biological construct. Souls don't have genders nor do consciousnesses. Females have boobs though so that's good. Big W for sexual dimorphism. 

[Twentyfirst]

53 minutes ago, Elliott said:

They do that so more people begin to understand about trans. It's how all hate is conquered. In my country we used to keep black people from white people, gays had to hide it or they would be legally executed for it. People are scared of what they don't know. 

The pendulum doesn't have to go as far as it goes. You don't need to over correct. Plan out your movement beforehand and land it where you want to land it. Rather than going extreme and then the other side has a blowback which balances it out in the middle. Just balance it out in the middle from the beginning.

[Alexop]

Transgender problem is truly understood at Tier 2. I think it is the perfect subject to open in order to realize who is really tier 2. Stage Blue and Orange are not construct aware enough to separate the symbols from the actual thing they point to although they are open to biological differences talk and how very few are born in the wrong body. Stage Green are more aware of the social construction aspect pf gender but not not open enough to masculinity vs femininity talk which is disgusting, because that's why they are soo fucking bad at understanding this subject. 

If we don't understand masculine vs feminine and general biological preferences/ differences plus the social construction aspects of gender, we are smelling each other's farts. I feel like vomiting every time I watch a debate about these subjects, 99% of people don't really understand this subject, from here the political madness.

[Hatfort]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@ElliottMy issue is thats its a 1 percent population thing thats in 40 percent of media. Here are somethings that gemini says effect 1 percent of population.

Schizophrenia

Vitiligo

Synesthesia

Panic Disorder

Natural immunity to HIV

Deaths caused by suicide

People who have climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro

Now imagine all of a sudden 40 percent of the media being pushed out had schizophrenics in it as characters. You would naturally question why the fuck are there so many schizophrenics in movie and tv shows when it only effects 1 percent of the population. Now they start putting love schizophrenics on childrens toys. Naturally an intelligent person would say why? 

Substitute schizophrenic with any of the other things that involves 1 percent of the population so you dont say Im being transphobic by comparing it to something deemed negative.

40% of the media is not about trans, not even close. In a quick memory check, I can only recall one recent popular series with one trans character, which was Squid Game season 2. That was only one trans character out of dozens of cis ones, so to categorize this series as trans themed would be ridiculous too. 

The screen time that mostly right-wing conservatives spend whining about trans people could be 40%, indeed. That percentage I could believe.

[Alexop]

9 hours ago, Elliott said:

Support for trans is at an all time high. Trans people were seriously discriminated against in the recent past.

The problem is that those who support them the most are the most clueless about what exactly a man and a woman is. They ignore biology, they ignore how we lived for hundreds of thousands of years, because it doesn't fit their retarded equality agenda. So don't get amazed when people mock them, ignore them, hate them, call them retarded. 

They tell men and women are somewhat the same, but people are not stupid. They see again and again that this is nonsense. And actually this samness madness create more hate, more misogyny, more lgbtq hate. This is one of the lowest points of the left and wise people should raise up and tell the uncomfortable. And those who can't handle reality should take their toys and step out of activism and politics. 

[Kid A]

11 hours ago, Elliott said:

The only people posting trans stuff are CONSERVATIVES.

You do know that right?

It's half of Fox news. Scan trans threads, they're by CONSERVATIVES.

This is not true. Liberals, especially the visible, rich, and powerful ones, have been way too focused on trans issues for a long time. These people are also often very capitalistic and unwilling to share their wealth, so I completely understand the poor and working-class Americans’ resentment toward elites. Too bad their “solution” to the problem, MAGA, is the worst possible one and only makes things much worse for them.

[Kid A]

14 minutes ago, Kid A said:

This is not true. Liberals, especially the visible, rich, and powerful ones, have been way too focused on trans issues for a long time.

Btw, I’m not saying this because I have anything against trans people. I’m saying it because it’s a really bad strategy. If you want to get rid of anti-trans attitudes, loudly support economic equality and politicians like Bernie Sanders, not identity politics. And above all, don’t attack people who don’t have the privilege of caring as much about trans people as you do.

[Salvijus]

10 hours ago, LordFall said:

gender is a biological construct

7 hermetic laws about the universe. 

1. The Principle of Mentalism: "The All is Mind; The Universe is Mental."

2. The Principle of Correspondence: "As above, so below; as below, so above."

3. The Principle of Vibration: "Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates."

4. The Principle of Polarity: "Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites."

5. The Principle of Rhythm: "Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides."

6. The Principle of Cause and Effect: "Every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause."

7. The Principle of Gender: "Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine  principles."

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Kid A said:

This is not true. Liberals, especially the visible, rich, and powerful ones, have been way too focused on trans issues for a long time. These people are also often very capitalistic and unwilling to share their wealth, so I completely understand the poor and working-class Americans’ resentment toward elites. Too bad their “solution” to the problem, MAGA, is the worst possible one and only makes things much worse for them.

Well said! The conservatives are smart enough to sense something is wrong with liberals but stupid enough to choose MAGA as a solution for it.

[Hojo]

@AlexopThere isnt another solution, thats why gender identity politics made trump win. You have trans people berating any leftist against it and they go to the right instead. Not all conservatives are MAGA and not all Liberals are insane leftists.

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[Nercohype]

Extream far right is nonsense

[Kid A]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

There isnt another solution, thats why gender identity politics made trump win.

There's no way in hell Trump was the better option for them, but if there's one thing all of this shows us, it's that the two-party system must be abandoned. 

"Don't blame me! I voted for Kodos."

[Hojo]

@Kid AIts not the better option but they get cancelled and get called a transphobe anytime they speak about the topic and get banned off social media platforms so they say fuck it. Ive been permanently banned off reddit for being anti trans 5 times, Im just saying what I am saying here that it is brainwashing children. Be trans I dont care, but it hurts childrens minds and will confuse them. If you know anything about identity you will see this.

I got banned of the philosophy reddit for saying the word woke mind virus, because its supposedly anti trans. It literally has nothing to do with trans.

THE PHILOSOPHY SUBREDDIT! Supposed intelligent minds. i love reddit and I got banned off it permanently because of woke trans stuff, if I was a grifter I would just go conservative but Im not. Conservatives are fundamentally retarded. I cant agree with what they say.

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[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Kid A said:

Btw, I’m not saying this because I have anything against trans people. I’m saying it because it’s a really bad strategy. If you want to get rid of anti-trans attitudes, loudly support economic equality and politicians like Bernie Sanders, not identity politics. And above all, don’t attack people who don’t have the privilege of caring as much about trans people as you do.

100%

Fix people's basic needs, at the same time maintain a culture of discipline and maturity and people will flourish. They will naturally become more tolerant, wise, open-minded, without all this shaming and culture wars. 

Don't do that and shove ideology and shame into people's throats and they will invite you to meet Trump.

[Kid A]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Kid AIts not the better option but they get cancelled and get called a transphobe anytime they speak about the topic and get banned off social media platforms so they say fuck it. Ive been permanently banned off reddit for being anti trans 5 times, Im just saying what I am saying here that it is brainwashing children. Be trans I dont care, but it hurts childrens minds and will confuse them. If you know anything about identity you will see this.

I got banned of the philosophy reddit for saying the word woke mind virus, because its supposedly anti trans. It literally has nothing to do with trans.

I don't quite see how the Democratic party is to blame here, but no doubt people with attitudes you describe here have an unfair amount of influence over the party. That's why there needs to be several parties. One for rich and woke capitalists, one for rich capitalists who are not woke, one for working-class people who want more economic equality, etc.