BREAKING NEWS: ICE shoots and kills woman

[Kid A]

29 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Dr. Russell Razzaque really nails it with video evidence of cold-blooded murder.

 

 

Great top comment in the comment section: "True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that bullies from your grade school are running the country" — paraphrase of Kurt Vonnegut 

[AION]

6 months earlier the police officer almost died because somebody else thought it is funny to almost crush him...

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[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, Jowblob said:

The reason is that most police officers have an ego, and dealing and interacting with people daily that show toxic behaviour or ego behaviour and build on the polices ego will show up in ways like this shooting.

I don't see anything wrong, and don't honestly care.

Training.

America sucks at training its law enforcement. Discipline isn't born into people, and little of exists in families these days. It needs a strong command structure and those in positions of authority to follow the rules they are enforcing, or else chaos, corruption, and suffering result.

Equivocating a regular random person and a man or woman supposed to be in a position of authority is a false equivalency. It doesn't make sense.

[AION]

37 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Training.

America sucks at training its law enforcement. Discipline isn't born into people, and little of exists in families these days. It needs a strong command structure and those in positions of authority to follow the rules they are enforcing, or else chaos, corruption, and suffering result.

Equivocating a regular random person and a man or woman supposed to be in a position of authority is a false equivalency. It doesn't make sense.

You have no idea how badly trained law enforcement is in other countries. I'm no fan of Trump but the US has the best police officers in the world in terms of training. In my country police can barely shoot a gun and they wouldn't be able to survive a day in the US. The problem of the US is that everbody has guns so police have to act different than in countries where guns are banned.

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[BlueOak]

13 minutes ago, AION said:

You have no idea how badly trained law enforcement is in other countries. I'm no fan of Trump but the US has the best police officers in the world in terms of training. In my country police can barely shoot a gun and they wouldn't be able to survive a day in the US. The problem of the US is that everbody has guns so police have to act different than in countries where guns are banned.

This is factually incorrect.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-training-requirements-by-country
 

[AION]

1 hour ago, AION said:

6 months earlier the police officer almost died because somebody else thought it is funny to almost crush him...

That lesbian wife is in a world of trouble. I think the ICE agent is pretty much safe. But the wife will probably sued for felony.

[DocWatts]

7 hours ago, Jowblob said:

There were  no mistakes here, both people had an ego and were unconscious in their behaviour, the woman had a death wish in her head and wanted to feel how it feels, this translated into the behaviour of the officer that had a wish in shooting someone for their behaviour because of his karmic patterns.

I don't see anything wrong, and don't honestly care.

What the fuck are you talking about? A civilian was brutally executed by Trump's secret police, and all you can say is that she had a death wish? 

I'd expect this type of unhinged take on 4chan, not on what's supposed to be a Conscious Politics Forum. Do us all a favor and GTFO until you're able to engage in this space constructively.

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[DocWatts]

Don't cede the narrative.

ICE is not law enforcement - they're a paramilitary that Trump is using to implement fascism within the United States.

They are in Minneapolis to scare the shit out of people so that they'll give up their rights in advance, and to incite violence as a pretext for a military crackdown. End of story.

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[Cireeric]

7 hours ago, Jowblob said:

There were  no mistakes here, both people had an ego and were unconscious in their behaviour, the woman had a death wish in her head and wanted to feel how it feels, this translated into the behaviour of the officer that had a wish in shooting someone for their behaviour because of his karmic patterns.

This is such a weird perspective.

[BlueOak]

45 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Don't cede the narrative.

ICE is not law enforcement - they're a paramilitary that Trump is using to implement fascism within the United States.

They are in Minneapolis to scare the shit out of people so that they'll give up their rights in advance, and to incite violence as a pretext for a military crackdown. End of story.

All true but if they were trained how to interact with the public and do their job more thoroughly, this would be less likely to happen. I understand you will argue this is part of the design, but others may counter, so this data is useful.

Ice apparently gets 47 days of training; if we charitably say they get 8 hours each day, that's 376 hours, which is 11 times less than the best-trained forces around the globe and half as long as regular American police, who are woefully undertrained, Regular police get almost 7 times less hours than India for example. Someone can argue American training is more effective, but I doubt by a factor of ten.

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[DocWatts]

37 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

All true but if they were trained how to interact with the public and do their job more thoroughly, this would be less likely to happen. I understand you will argue this is part of the design, but others may counter, so this data is useful.

Ice apparently gets 47 days of training; if we charitably say they get 8 hours each day, that's 376 hours, which is 11 times less than the best-trained forces around the globe and half as long as regular American police, who are woefully undertrained, Regular police get almost 7 times less hours than India for example. Someone can argue American training is more effective, but I doubt by a factor of ten.

My point here is that treating ICE as 'law enforcement' is already ceding the narrative to fascists who want this behavior to be normalized. 

A police officer who shoots an unarmed woman in the face can be removed for misconduct, tried and potentially convicted for murder. 

ICE is intentionally put in cities like Minneapolis to incite violence. 

They're operating with the knowledge that they have absolute immunity for their actions - and that the atrocities they're committing are done under a veil of anonymity.

I don't want ICE to be 'better at their jobs', I want Trump's Secret Police to be disbanded, its leaders and field agents to be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law for the harm that they're committing. There's nothing to 'save' about ICE, anymore than there was anything worth saving about Hitler's Brownshirts.

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[Jowblob]

1 hour ago, Cireeric said:

This is such a weird perspective.

Not a perspective just how life works, it's not understood by most people. Just to give an example, a long time ago i was driving while it was heavily raining. In my head my intuition told me "you will probably crash if you drive this fast" , i said to myself "doesn't matter i actually want to experience how it would feel like" . I didn't drive fast on the highway only like 60-70mph and my car came into a slipstream and i crashed. I have many more examples from my life, but everything is interconnected.

Another perspective from long time ago, a guy tried merging into my lane with his bus behind me, i didn't have much space to drive a bit forward on the highway because of traffic jam. So i decided to not move my car for him to fully merge. My ego said " don't let him merge you don't have much space infront anyway" and my intuition told me "he will probably crash in your back bumper" because you arent selfless towards him. And ofcourse for some reason he decided to press the gas pedal and crash into my bumper like a robot from a standstill.

Hopefully my examples will help people understand life a bit more and be more conscious.

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[Jowblob]

@DocWatts I am sorry for hurting your feelings about things you do not understand, but i'm detached from ego life engagements and from things that make your nervous system ring.

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[Cireeric]

@Jowblob I think I understand where youre coming from I just dont think this perspective is conducive to the situation at hand. I think it is very easy to rationalize/excuse very horrific acts in this way. Reminds me of how the zen teacher D.T. Suzuki helped japan soldiers in WW2 to kill more easily without bad conscience by teching them zen. And what are the consequences of thinking in this way?

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