What spiritual teachers actually teach Solipsism

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Not wrong, but tautological.

if reality is defined as consciousness or love, the definition is already wrong, because both are particular expressions.
The only coherent definition of reality is unlimited being: that which is, precisely because there are no limits. Absence of limits is not a quality ,it is the defining condition.

Being has no definite meaning in a differential sense, because it has no opposite within this frame. It cannot be defined by contrast. Being is not consciousness, consciousness is a relational process, while being is the fact of being because there are no limits.
Is this a tautology? Yes , and necessarily so. Any non-tautological definition would already introduce limits. As the Tao Te Ching says, what can be named is not the Tao.

Existence means being in a relative, structured form. Being is the condition that makes any form possible. It is prior to existence, but not separate from it.

There is no being apart from form; form is being appearing. Without form there is no existence, but form is inevitable because reality is not contained. Where there are no limits, coherent manifestation cannot be prevented.

 

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Is spirituality about emotions? Is it true only if it feels safe?

No, I said the opposite. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[theleelajoker]

On 16.1.2026 at 1:09 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Can you see how your answers are somewhat circular?

You can make that point with ANY answer, no matter the content.

Language is conditioned in a way that one word 1 or symbol 1 must be explained by another word 2 or symbol 2.  But how you then define this word 2 with word 3 etc etc 

Descriptions are, like ultimate causality, limited and their coherence dissolves at some point.

Any description is in the end BS. John Lilly once said he starts his workshop with "everything I say is a lie. Because it's not the experience itself."

Let's switch symbols.

Let's call reality now "tomato soup"  and circular now "butter" and answer we call "horse" 

So your point is that breakingthewall's horse regarding tomato soup is butter.

Don't mistake the map for the territory. Look where the finger is pointing to, not the finger. Part of us is addicted to words, concepts, thinking. As Ralston would say, just stop doing that.

Edited 6 hours ago by theleelajoker

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Breakingthewall gotcha, I think the way it was written reversed the meaning. 

@theleelajoker not sure regarding your rant, I think you pulled a comment out of context.  Maybe some assumptions there about what you perceive I may be aware of, or not. Or what I am really pointing to.

Words don't have any inherent meaning without context. You can be more or less accurate/defined. 

I think you assume a lot about my context. No where did I say words are reality or can describe truth in totality.

Edited 3 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Breakingthewall gotcha, I think the way it was written reversed the meaning. 

@theleelajoker not sure regarding your rant, I think you pulled a comment out of context.  Maybe some assumptions there about what you perceive I may be aware of, or not. Or what I am really pointing to.

Words don't have any inherent meaning without context. You can be more or less accurate/defined. 

I think you assume a lot about my context. No where did I say words are reality or can describe truth in totality.

Ok. Point taken. 

But then I wonder: if that's your POV, that reality can not be described, then why bother to participate in a discussion about description of reality at all? 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

47 minutes ago, theleelajoker said:

Ok. Point taken. 

But then I wonder: if that's your POV, that reality can not be described, then why bother to participate in a discussion about description of reality at all? 

This is just so open a question, I could answer it in ten pages or none. Like asking the meaning of life 🤪

Why not? Just because the tool isn't perfect ... 

We can point together

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I do not stop because I cannot be perfect. I limber around, happily imperfect and never knowing ⟵⁠(⁠๑⁠¯⁠◡⁠¯⁠๑⁠)