Don't worry, we are all same in grave

[James123]

Unwillingly oneness. 

[integration journey]

What about goals and life purpose? 

[UnbornTao]

You just provided a two-word assertion. What question or communication could you make to promote inquiry?

[James123]

1 hour ago, integration journey said:

What about goals and life purpose? 

Heaviness, limitation, not freedom. 

28 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

You just provided a two-word assertion. What question or communication could you make to promote inquiry?

Deeply knowing this, surrendering is inevitable. Anything and everything belongs to God, so give back and be completely free. 

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

limitation

But what if your goal is to overcome something you feel is limitation so it’s actually moving you towards more freedom, or maybe you’ll say we should drop the idea of having limitation to begin with?

[James123]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

But what if your goal is to overcome something you feel is limitation so it’s actually moving you towards more freedom, or maybe you’ll say we should drop the idea of having limitation to begin with?

Look at the bones in grave. Do they attached to any beliefs or idea? Give back the mind. Be free not as you, but as freedom itself. Be / free.

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

Look at the bones in grave. Do they attached to any beliefs or idea? Give back the mind. Be free not as you, but as freedom itself. Be / free.

Do you truly live by this or is it more a saying, an ideal?

[James123]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

Do you truly live by this or is it more a saying, an ideal?

You decide. I am just done with holding/controlling, so much suffering. Owning something (including the body) is so much suffering. So, Fuck it. I gave back. İf body dies let it die. Freedom is priceless.

[UnbornTao]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

Deeply knowing this, surrendering is inevitable. Anything and everything belongs to God, so give back and be completely free. 

Be open™. For real. Not as a pretension. The implicit arrogance behind this kind of spiritual talk is tiring and does not seem to help much - except, perhaps, in making oneself feel better.

Can you let go of your attachment to this kind of talk and thinking? Question something. What about "What is surrendering?", for example?

[Joseph Maynor]

23 minutes ago, James123 said:

You decide. I am just done with holding/controlling, so much suffering. Owning something (including the body) is so much suffering. So, Fuck it. I gave back. İf body dies let it die. Freedom is priceless.

Do you feel like you spend a lot of time suffering today?

[James123]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Be open™. For real. Not as a pretension. The implicit arrogance behind this kind of spiritual talk is tiring and does not seem to help much - except, perhaps, in making oneself feel better.

Can you let go of your attachment to this kind of talk and thinking? Question something. What about "What is surrendering?", for example?

Search. And after be witness of the searcher. 

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Do you feel like you spend a lot of time suffering today?

Before.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, James123 said:

Before.

What cured the suffering you were experiencing before?

[UnbornTao]

Just now, James123 said:

Search. And after be witness of the searcher. 

Can you drop that? I'm curious why you post these things. They can be pithy at times, don't get me wrong, but I can't help but suspect that you're stuck in a spiritual worldview that gets in the way of actual questioning.

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What cured the suffering you were experiencing before?

Death.

9 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Can you drop that? I'm curious why you post these things. They can be pithy at times, don't get me wrong, but I can't help but suspect that you're stuck in a spiritual worldview that gets in the way of actual questioning.

One's realization happens that there is not actual person in body, just so called voice or mind chattering, then there is no need to drop, ideas arises and falls, but no owner, including dropping as mine having something.

When you lose everything you are free to do anything.

[Breakingthewall]

Constantly looking at death is essential in spirituality. Death is here, a micron below the surface. Looking at death doesn't mean thinking you're going to be reincarnated or become a god; it means accepting total dissolution, the end of control, of form.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

One's realization happens that there is not actual person in body

What you are, the energetic pattern of body and mind, is a reality. There is a will to be, and that is what you are, and denying it is useless. Every breath expresses the will to be in this way.

[James123]

22 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What cured the suffering you were experiencing before?

 

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

it means accepting total dissolution, the end of control, of form.

This answer above what death is, end of controlling. That's all.

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

What you are, the energetic pattern of body and mind, is a reality. There is a will to be, and that is what you are, and denying it is useless. Every breath expresses the will to be in this way.

No. This is a belief or attachment to words, which functions under controlling such as giving meaning / imagining. 

[Joseph Maynor]

19 minutes ago, James123 said:

Death.

One's realization happens that there is not actual person in body, just so called voice or mind chattering, then there is no need to drop, ideas arises and falls, but no owner, including dropping as mine having something.

When you lose everything you are free to do anything.

I see, so the "self" died, but why does this paradoxically make you free to do anything?

[UnbornTao]

21 minutes ago, James123 said:

One's realization happens that there is not actual person in body, just so called voice or mind chattering, then there is no need to drop, ideas arises and falls, but no owner, including dropping as mine having something.

When you lose everything you are free to do anything.

Okay, we lost him.  

I seriously doubt this is your actual experience.

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

No. This is a belief or attachment to words, which functions under controlling such as giving meaning / imagining. 

It's a fact described by words. Are you breathing or not?