Don't worry, we are all same in grave

[James123]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

But there is a You that goes beyond mind, right?  What is That/This which can be named and also does in fact Exist, if anything?

İt is not exist or not exist. Any given name is not it.

No there is no me that goes beyond mind. İt is not a state, not an experience. Just imagine before birth, that's it.

Literally there is nothing there. No words or experience can pass. Disseappearing for ego, simply Being as/for Truth.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

İt is not exist or not exist. Any given name is not it.

No there is no me that goes beyond mind. İt is not a state, not an experience. Just imagine before birth, that's it.

Literally there is nothing there. No words or experience can pass. Disseappearing for ego, simply Being as/for Truth.

I've seen you use the word You sometimes though.  I guess You mean simply Being as/for Truth?  What is Truth for You?

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

guess You mean simply Being as/for Truth?

Yes.

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

What is Truth for You?

İmagine before physical birth, that's it. And it is actually still and always. Truth is sky, universe is clouds. 

[Joseph Maynor]

@James123  But you seem to resist thinking of Truth/Being as Consciousness, no?

[Hojo]

Imagining before physical birth and trying to remember something you dont remember is the same thing.

Try to think about something you dont remember about yesterday. You dont remember the whole day but you do remember something. Thats the same thing as life before birth. You could have been doing something you just dont remember.

Theres no difference between the qualia of before birth and the qualia of not remembering something that happened yesterday.

Edited Monday at 09:06 PM by Hojo

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

@James123  But you seem to resist thinking of Truth/Being as Consciousness, no?

No.

[James123]

9 minutes ago, Hojo said:

Imagining before physical birth and trying to remember something you dont remember is the same thing.

Try to think about something you dont remember about yesterday. You dont remember the whole day but you do remember something. Thats the same thing as life before birth. You could have been doing something you just dont remember.

Theres no difference between the qualia of before birth and the qualia of not remembering something that happened yesterday.

You=remembering.

[Joseph Maynor]

28 minutes ago, James123 said:

You=remembering.

Remembering what?

[James123]

4 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Remembering what?

İmagine that not remembering anything, what will be you?

[cetus]

There is nothing you don't know. 

Edited yesterday at 03:15 AM by cetus

[cetus]

Remember your divinity?

[James123]

Just now, cetus said:

Remember your divinity?

Where is it?

[cetus]

Just now, James123 said:

Where is it?

Just where you left it.

[cetus]

@James123 Remember the immaculate self. It is waiting for you to return home.

Edited yesterday at 03:37 AM by cetus

[James123]

4 minutes ago, cetus said:

@James123 Remember the immaculate self. It is waiting for you to return home.

There is not a self that goes or comes back to source. 

There is always source, yet attachments creates the story as yours.

[cetus]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is not a self that goes or comes back to source. 

There is always source, yet attachments creates the story as yours.

I agree. But without a sense of self in contrast, there would be no appreciation of "source".  So yes, I am referring to the self-returning to source. And mostly the self remembering it's source. Which is what I'm referring to as a divine or immaculate self.

Edited yesterday at 03:56 AM by cetus

[James123]

1 minute ago, cetus said:

I agree. But without a sense of self in contrast, there would be no appreciation of "source".  So yes, I am referring to the self-returning to source. And mostly the self remembering source.

I respect that. But, there is a point that not even appreciation appears, entire story dissolves.

Much love. 

[cetus]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

I respect that. But, there is a point that not even appreciation appears, entire story dissolves.

Much love. 

Been there done that. Whoops- where'd it go?

[James123]

2 minutes ago, cetus said:

Been there done that. Whoops- where'd it go?

Nowhere. İt is always. Actually , you are not done that. you=story. Let the body go. Then never a story.

[cetus]

@James123 We have all different age groups here, so to speak. Which I always keep in mind. So, I tend to cater to everyone.

Edited yesterday at 04:13 AM by cetus