Explosions reported in Venezuelan capital

[Husseinisdoingfine]

America is the great Satan, and Israel the little Satan. 

Another regime change and the citizens in this country are going to do nothing, and maybe even re-elect the people responsible for the regime change. If it doesn't personally effect Americans, they don't care. 

[zazen]

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

America is the great Satan, and Israel the little Satan. 

Another regime change and the citizens in this country are going to do nothing, and maybe even re-elect the people responsible for the regime change. If it doesn't personally effect Americans, they don't care. 

Even if they did care (many American oppose US adventurism) their democratic system wouldn't help resolving it the way they think. Because there is a deep state / permanent overlapping of  private interests that use the state as a platform to exercise their interests THROUGH, at the expense of the national interest or goodwill of the demos / people. They are insulated from the ballot box decisions and above being disciplined by the state because the cultural DNA of the West is opposed to centralizing enough power in the state to be able to do so.

This is why we have changing politicians but rarely a change in foreign policy or domestic policy that challenges powerful interests. Cucked to empire.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

America is the great Satan, and Israel the little Satan. 

Another regime change and the citizens in this country are going to do nothing, and maybe even re-elect the people responsible for the regime change. If it doesn't personally effect Americans, they don't care. 

And the Venezuelan regime is another Satan that has the country hostage, rigged elections, and caused a quarter of the population to emigrate. Satan's dances.

The question is not whether this is right or wrong, but what consequences it will bring. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

13 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

America is the great Satan, and Israel the little Satan. 

Another regime change and the citizens in this country are going to do nothing, and maybe even re-elect the people responsible for the regime change. If it doesn't personally effect Americans, they don't care. 

Okay, to be fair to Americans, they were largely responsible for the world wide University Palestine demonstrations. But that's a select few urban well educated types, not suburban or rural ordinary conservative and religious people who just go on with their lives. 

[Daniel Balan]

29 minutes ago, zazen said:

True

What's being collapsed into one category or conflated is that economic expansion automatically means military / imperial expansion. Influence is different to imperialism.

Influence isn't a reason to go to war with another country as you said.  On the flip side - the imperialism of another rival power wanting to use a neighboring or regional country as a forward military base is something that any rational power will respond to. So if China or Russia were to station missiles pointed towards the US from Venezuela - it's totally rational for the US to do something about it and though unjustifiable - is understandable. Same goes for the West doing similar in Russia or China's vicinity.

The point is that China and Russia haven't done that in Venezuela. The US moving on Venezuela now isn't reacting to a military threat but this behaviour is disciplinary ie Empire Discipline. It's saying ''you don't get to sit inside our hemisphere and outside our unipolar system''. It's setting a precedent for others to fall into line - that there will be consequences for defecting from the status quo and current world system in which the US leads and the West dominates. It's entrenching dollar dominance and the ''exorbitant privilege'' that comes with that.

But yes - China or Russia haven't turned their economic alignment or political signalling with Venezuela into a embedded military architecture creating a military threat platform. Not at all in the same way the West has done and is doing in Ukraine and along China in Taiwan, Japan or Philippines which are much closer to China than Venezuela is to the US.

Bullshit and pro-russian analysis as always from you zazen. This is when I finally caught you with your pants down. You have exposed yourself what you truly are, a Chinese/Russian/Iranian propaganda vehicle. 

1. The west was not imperialist in Ukraine and did not seek to use Ukraine as a springboard for future Russian aggression, this is just bullshit. Russia has stationed nukes in Belarus, 5 minutes away from Warsaw and Berlin where the fuck has the EU stationed nukes near Moscow? Where???? The nearest nukes to Moscow are in Britain, France and Turkey, how far away are these from Moscow and how far are the nukes in Belarus from the EU? How wanting to restore the USSR's spehere of influence with tanks is not imperialism and just self defence acting against "western imperialism" and when the west want to integrate Ukraine into the democratic world is imperialism? 

Ukraine itself wanted away from Russia, and the west wanted to expand its sphere of influence. And rightly so! Who gives license to Putin to enslave in utter poverty and backwardness and terror and total dictatorship millions of people? "Defending from western imperialism" is cheap propaganda that only fools buy. 

If we agree that both Venezuela and Ukraine can choose their alliances freely without war, then you can't come here to tell us that Russia is allowed to wage war because of "security" while you condemn the US for Imperialism. You either condemn both Russian/Chinese and US imperialism or you shut up. 

You don't want a multipolar world as you always say, you want a world where the west is defeated totally by the side that tortures its own citizens. 

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

❗️🇺🇸/🇻🇪 WATCH: America's war on Venezuela.

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/26824

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/26837 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/26828 

https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/26841 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

—❗️🇻🇪 NEW: Vladimir Padrino Lopez, Venezuela's Defense Minister, is now the de-facto leader of the country

Edited Saturday at 12:57 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Twentyfirst]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Twentyfirst 2 things can be true at once, That USA is a devil and that Venezuela is an opressive horrible dictatorship. That doesn't give license to the west to invade Venezuela, and this doesn't give license to China and Russia to support with all their might an oppressive dictatorship just because that dictatorship is anti American. 

Yo dude, how about you go live in a total dictatorship? Until then you have no business making fun of "liberals". 

The only problem is the people calling Venezuela a horrible dictatorship are the same people that are themselves a horrible dictatorship. But you still think the USA is a "democracy". Whatever the hell democracy even means. I don't trust the news of an invading pedophila mafia 

[Daniel Balan]

18 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

The only problem is the people calling Venezuela a horrible dictatorship are the same people that are themselves a horrible dictatorship. But you still think the USA is a "democracy". Whatever the hell democracy even means. I don't trust the news of an invading pedophila mafia 

USA under Donald Trump is akin to Putin's Russia. USA under Trump is equally as bad as Putin's Russia. And you are just a propaganda vehicle for the dictatorial world. More pedophilia happens in dictatorships than in the free world because in the free world pedophilia is exposed by the media, in a dictatorship you don't even know of how much pedophilia happens because there is no press besides state sponsored propaganda. 

You don't trust the western media but you trust the media of those who rape and capture children in Ukraine. This goes to show how big of a fool you really are.

[Kid A]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bullshit and pro-russian analysis as always from you zazen. This is when I finally caught you with your pants down. You have exposed yourself what you truly are, a Chinese/Russian/Iranian propaganda vehicle. 

I’m trying to stay away from this subforum this year because of all the Russian propaganda. Life is too short to surround myself with that shit. I just had to make a little exception today because of this crazy situation. I already regret it.

[zazen]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bullshit and pro-russian analysis as always from you zazen. This is when I finally caught you with your pants down. You have exposed yourself what you truly are, a Chinese/Russian/Iranian propaganda vehicle. 

Your way too emotional for politics. Didn't you start a thread ranting about how you ''no longer care about politics'' lol you already failed your new year resolution 3 days in son. You also have another thread asking ''why the US wants to steal Venezuela's oil& resources?'' to which I calmly went through all the possible reasons and came to the most plausible one in my opinion. You got triggered by that just like you have now. Have you answered your own question yet or are you still twiddling your thumbs confused about what's going on?

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

1. The west was not imperialist in Ukraine and did not seek to use Ukraine as a springboard for future Russian aggression, this is just bullshit. Russia has stationed nukes in Belarus, 5 minutes away from Warsaw and Berlin where the fuck has the EU stationed nukes near Moscow? Where???? The nearest nukes to Moscow are in Britain, France and Turkey, how far away are these from Moscow and how far are the nukes in Belarus from the EU? How wanting to restore the USSR's spehere of influence with tanks is not imperialism and just self defence acting against "western imperialism" and when the west want to integrate Ukraine into the democratic world is imperialism? 

Who knew that militarizing borders of buffer zones between great powers triggers security responses - whoever does it. This is how great powers behave once escalation is already underway. The Cold War ended rhetorically but NATO's military posture never rolled back - NATO nuclear sharing has had nukes stationed in Germany and Turkey within shot of Russia for decades. That same architecture crept forward towards Russia - and rightly so for the countries responding to Russian imperialism of the past. But there is a red line between great powers that overrides even the ''democratic choice'' of a nation to choose what it wants to do - and that was Ukraine.

This is the distinction I was making - when influence and integrated trade turns into imperialistic power moves turning a country into a military threat against a rival power.

Russia didn't station nuclear weapons in Belarus as some long standing imperial project - Belarus has been a Russian security partner for decades without nuclear deployment. The decision to move tactical nukes into Belarus was announced in 2023 and only came after - NATO’s eastward expansion, Ukraine becoming a de facto NATO military partner, massive Western arms flows, intelligence sharing, Finland joining NATO and Sweden moving to join after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022. It's a reactive escalation, not a initial encroachment or posture.

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

If we agree that both Venezuela and Ukraine can choose their alliances freely without war, then you can't come here to tell us that Russia is allowed to wage war because of "security" while you condemn the US for Imperialism. You either condemn both Russian/Chinese and US imperialism or you shut up. 

Explaining how a power acts isn't justifying it or endorsing it. We both don't agree - I don't elevate democracy as some absolute value in a black and white sense like a libtard - because there are certain democratic choices that will be overridden by power and survival dynamics. Small states don’t get infinite freedom without consequences in a great power system. If you love democracy so much then why are you bitching on a forum about Trump being democratically elected - by that same logic Hitler was elected democratically and should be embraced because ''democracy''.

The difference is between what really is a security threat vs isn't. Same distinction as earlier - economic integration and political alignment doesn't necessarily cause a ''security'' threat. Massively arming up a country, creating military inter-operability, intelligence sharing and flirting with joining a security treaty by a country that openly wants to contain it's neighbor rival does pose a threat. Russia and China weren't doing that in Venezuela - as yet.

On the one hand you talk about Western aggression and how Putin is cornered like animal bound to react - yet when I comment you forget all that nuance and have a temper tantrum against me lol your literally all over the place.

I condemn all imperialism - but get correct on what is imperialism, or shut up and stick to your new year resolution by staying out of poltics which requires some minimal intelligence and emotional control.

I literally said ''On the flip side - the imperialism of another rival power wanting to use a neighboring or regional country as a forward military base is something that any rational power will respond to. So if China or Russia were to station missiles pointed towards the US from Venezuela - it's totally rational for the US to do something about it and though unjustifiable - is understandable.''

By your own logic since you dick ride ''democracy'' and ''freedom'' - if Mexico or Canada chose to ally with Russia and China in a military sense - the US should just sit down and do nothing because the people ''chose it'. This is utopian thinking that disregards how power dynamics work in the real world - it doesn't mean endorsing the existence of power dynamics but acknowledging they exist and acting accordingly.

Utopians deny power dynamics exist or moralise them away. Imperialists indulge power dynamics and justify them through dominance. Pragmatists accept power dynamics as a unavoidable reality that needs to be managed through diplomacy and restraint with force being a last resort if all else fails.

Edited Saturday at 02:45 PM by zazen

[UnbornTao]

Jesus, calm down people.

[zazen]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Jesus, calm down people.

I initially commented calmly, but have no issue matching energy back when responded to with temper tantrums. Tao Te Geopolitics and happy new year - what a start lol.

[UnbornTao]

1 minute ago, zazen said:

I initially commented calmly, but have no issue matching energy back when responded to with temper tantrums. Tao Te Geopolitics and happy new year - what a start lol.

That's fine. 

[Twentyfirst]

Americans: We are a free country. The most free. We have evolved beyond one dictator ruling everything. We are a democracy for the people by the people.

Also Americans: It's not us. It's Trump! One person who is making evil decisions without our approval. We can't stop him.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

America is the great Satan, and Israel the little Satan. 

Another regime change and the citizens in this country are going to do nothing, and maybe even re-elect the people responsible for the regime change. If it doesn't personally effect Americans, they don't care. 

5 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

Imagine the US doing to a nation of 30 million people what the Chinese are doing to the Uyghurs: erasing their identity, declaring Islam a mental illness, extreme surveillance, interning millions in re-education camps. What would you say about that?

[Husseinisdoingfine]

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

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