The One And Only Absolute Truth.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, LastThursday said:

So the fact of "the sky is blue" is not an absolute truth, because it can be other colours, cloudy, thundery etc.? But for example the fact I'm a male is an absolute truth, because I have never been anything else? Or does "absolute" apply to all potential future states as well as past ones?

Okay, but on this topic, in this thread, I will be referring 'only' to the absolute truth stated in the OP, that states the absolute truth is - 'I think therefore I Am' -  I am thinking therefore I exist.

(the sky is blue) is linguistics. 

[LastThursday]

Fair enough. Isn't 'I think therefore I Am' also linguistics? It's written in words with a grammatical structure. Does linguistics make it any less absolutely true?

[Someone here]

I think "absolute " means self-evident ..unquestionable..etc . We are past the point that we can verbally question anything . Is there unquestionable thing in actuality ? 

[Eskilon]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I think "absolute " means self-evident ..unquestionable..etc . We are past the point that we can verbally question anything . Is there unquestionable thing in actuality ? 

Yes. You are experiencing things. Whether you are inside an alien program somewhere or in a dream is another matter.

But still, things are happening right now. You are Aware!

This is undeniable.

Edited December 31, 2025 by Eskilon

[Someone here]

12 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Yes. You are experiencing things. Whether you are inside an alien program somewhere or in a dream is another matter.

But still, things are happening right now. You are Aware!

This is undeniable.

Thank you for your opinion. I'm honestly not sure .I can question even this but I don't want to sound like a smartass know it all . Obviously whe can deconstruct "you are experiencing things ".

Edited December 31, 2025 by Someone here

[Eskilon]

11 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I can question even this but I don't want to sound like a smartass know it all . Obviously whe can deconstruct "you are experiencing things ".

Of course you can question, but notice that you are questioning. What is that? This moment that allows your questioning, what is it? 

You can also question your question forever, doesnt mean you are right. Experience is. All questions happen within existence(whatever that is).

Edited December 31, 2025 by Eskilon

[LastThursday]

Why not? We could do with more smartassery and less parroting and unquestioning dogma. 

Isn't truth itself just: self evident, unquestionable? What about the "absolute" bit, what is that exactly?

[gettoefl]

This is partially correct. The statement is saying you are nothing but a thought. This is true. But that's just the person who looks back at you from the mirror. You are also the supreme reality which has thought you and the universe into existence. So Rene Descartes only-half-smart. He just looked in the mirror and not into the void.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Fair enough. Isn't 'I think therefore I Am' also linguistics? It's written in words with a grammatical structure. Does linguistics make it any less absolutely true?

The realisation 'I am a thinking being' is an absolute truth. This truth is undeniable. I know this, but I do not know how or why I know this.

And yes, thoughts manifest 'the thinker'. And the thinker manifests the 'I am'   Absolutely, without doubt or error. 

And yes, to make, or claim such statements, requires the linguistics of language. 

Thought and language are not understood as referring to fixed objects that pre-exist in a world outside language. This is because those things can simply not be found. Neither can language, which posits that 'thought' precedes language. 

 

Anyways, the point is, in my opinion, from my own intuition, from the perspective of my own direct experience, is that I know 'I am a thinking being'  and that is the only absolute truth that I can be certain about.  And yet I do not know how, or why, or when, or where, or who, is knowing I am, just that I am known, absolutely.

 

That's all this topic is pertaining to. 

 

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

What about the "absolute" bit, what is that exactly?

It's the bit that doesn't require proof, or can be doubted, or be refutable, so it's the bit that is absolute. 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

only-half-smart

It's not even anything to do with being smart, or even dumb. It's just a simple natural realisation, or recognition that you are a thinking being, therefore you are, and that knowing is an irrefutable absolute truth. 

[Hojo]

@LastThursdayThe sky is only blue to a human as far as we know. Everything in reality is white and black. The sun isnt yellow its white.

[Someone here]

8 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Isn't truth itself just: self evident, unquestionable? What about the "absolute" bit, what is that exactly?

Help me to see how this Is not just word play . 

Absolute Truth .

1- something true means something is real or exists or something which accurately describes something else. Like all correct conceptual knowledge. 

2 - Absolute truth means you can't argue against it or philosophize or smart-asserize your way against it ? What is that?  Its not even this direct experience because you go to sleep and its all wooph.  Unless you gonna pull a Leo on me and say "you're imagining sleep "" direct experience " is solipsistic. 

The OP is honestly disappointing given the flashy clickbaity title lol 😂..like Descartes had no fucking clue .you kidding me I think therefore I am? You're assuming you think.. it's circular. Descartes represents "i"as ego (exists because "he" can think lol).  Descartes is restricted with thinking or thoughts. Let's not assume he was enlightened .hindus or sufis talk about Infinite Self not the i which Descartes is talking about. Descartes had limited consciousness. 

Edited December 31, 2025 by Someone here

[James123]

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

[Joseph Maynor]

20 hours ago, James123 said:

Saying is just saying. Claiming is giving meaning.

Who says there is a need for this forum? Let it shut down.

Could you clarify this?

[Mellowmarsh]

26 minutes ago, James123 said:

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."

Again, this is not about 'learning', as in the context of learning how to read words and sentences in a book, or learning to ride a bicycle.

It's about the irrefutable fact that you cannot doubt or deny your own existence. That you exist, is an absolute truth.

You know you exist, in contrast, it's impossible to know you do not exist. You don't learn to exist, just as you do not learn how to be born or learn how to die, nor does a baby learn how to walk. These things happen automatically.  There may well be no ego, or autonomous agent called 'me' here, and a 'you' there,  except as synthetically created ideas formed by language.

 

Nobody need bother to question whether they exist or not, it's just obviously an absolute fact.  Nobody needs to emphasize to anyone else that they could be wrong about their own existence, and vice versa. So James, keep your Epictetus quote out of this, as it's totally irrelevant to the subject topic. Thanks.

 

 

 

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Again, this is not about 'learning', as in the context of learning how to read words and sentences in a book, or learning to ride a bicycle.

It's about the irrefutable fact that you cannot doubt or deny your own existence. That you exist, is an absolute truth.

You know you exist, in contrast, it's impossible to know you do not exist. You don't learn to exist, just as you do not learn how to be born or learn how to die, nor does a baby learn how to walk. These things happen automatically.  There may well be no ego, or autonomous agent called 'me' here, and a 'you' there,  except as synthetically created ideas formed by language.

 

Nobody need bother to question whether they exist or not, it's just obviously an absolute fact.  Nobody needs to emphasize to anyone else that they could be wrong about their own existence, and vice versa. So James, keep your Epictetus quote out of this, as it's totally irrelevant to the subject topic. Thanks.

 

 

 

You do realize that is totally contingent on you holding these ideas in your mind?  Such that as soon as you finish the sentence then it's no longer true ? 

A child wouldn't even know what the fuck are you talking about it.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Someone here said:

You do realize that is totally contingent on you holding these ideas in your mind?  Such that as soon as you finish the sentence then it's no longer true ? 

A child wouldn't even know what the fuck are you talking about it.

Please don't deflect away from the actual point.

A child absolutely knows it exists without doubt of error. This knowing you exist is what is being discussed here, okay.

[Someone here]

@Mellowmarsh you are the one deflecting .I bursted your absolute truth bubble but you can't handle this level of uncertainty ..sure have it..i wish to hang reality on a nail as well..but I'm afraid it's impossible. 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You do realize that is totally contingent on you holding these ideas in your mind? 

You first have to exist before you can hold an idea in your mind. That absolute existence does not learn to exist.