God's plan is a crock of shit

[strangelooper]

God's plan is so mediocre that it hurts, how can infinite IQ lead to this disgrace, it's as if past a certain threshold intelligence bends back on itself and you become a dumb fuck again.

Here's to decades of more of the same shit until the time of inevitable death having been all for nothing.

Expect more of the same tired old shit, wars, pedophilia, billionaires becoming more billionaire until we reach a trillion, some scams made by company XYZ, more economic destitution due to selfishness from the higher echelons of society, more inflation, more natural disasters, more of non evolved human behaviour chasing after worldly pleasures that don't satisfy, meaningless advances in technology that only serve to bring more suffering to the overall population like AI.

It's all negative, demoralizing shit and I'm not even mentioning my "small scale ego problems" because that would be selfishness, you see reality exists to be a piece of shit to everyone, not to make you love life or cherish tthe time you were alive. It has to be bad to be devoid of selfishness or whatevr logic retarded assholes use to take away responsibility from god the ultimate authority who has effectively abandoned and neglected humanity for thousands of years.

Here are some alternative scripts that would be much better. A mad man expands the surface of the earth by a thousand fold and all dead humans suddenly ressurect, but the twist is that instead of god being a total douchebag he opens the heart of love for humanity and we live in a golden age where true love directs humanity into an age of creativity or utopia.

Another script would be, the gods of Ancient Egypt suddenly arrive in a giant spaceship and they've been through hell and back on a mission across the galaxy that has led to the development of the ultimate beings. Kind, loving and nurturing they purge humanity out of all the trash with superior technology and psychic abilities providing a quick death to those who have evil in their hearts which will free these souls in the astral realm to be given lessons in love (they have cleaned up the reincarnation trap in their astral bodies). They modify humanity with psychic power so we no longer have to take shits or even eat, suddenly billions of animals aren't being tortured and killed just to feed us. They awaken humanities latent psychic abilities and we live in an age of manifesting with our minds and we build an advanced civilization with our minds, the world is full of futuristic pyramids, we enter a new age of heart and human companionship.

Another script would be the astral realm crashes earth and people start seeing entities flying around, the systems of control that reach into the astral realm have collapsed because god finally decided to do something decent. Billlions of souls that were in light bodies and in between incarnations can manifest food for physical humans, they manifest an app that allows physical humans to generate portals into other dimensions,. suddenly tourism becomes redefined to include the entire multiverse, people go on endless adventures and come back and share everything on the internet. Upgrades to the astral application come in frequently with modules to be able to re-experience your favourite memories, with modules to be able to seek art from other timelines and worlds, with modules to be able to have any experience that you so desire

Another script would be suddenly the spirit of Gaia awakens and nature becomes a hivemind that starts to reach into human consciousness and we become connected to the spirit of nature to live out our days in a blissful merged oneness.

Nothing good will ever happen. I'm so fucking disappointed in reality, my own creator is a bag of shit and the depression doesn't end in this life, it spreads to all eternity to all incarnations as god being everything includes suffering and negativity everywhere. Forget fun, love, innocence, adventure. Instead be a fucking retard who embraces all forms of trashy existence, love the wrong things, love sickness, love torture, love sticking kittens up your asshole just because it's a part of infinity instead of using some kind of common sense logic to filter out the trash.

[Leo Gura]

What you are expressing here is a personal hurt.

I understand you are hurt, but please be careful not to project that negativity onto God. This is for your own sake, otherwise you will lose yourself in a pit of self-constructed negativity.

Good things happen when you work to create good.

Good doesn't just grow on trees. Unless you are monkey.

You are expressing fantasies of how reality ought to be. Instead you should fall in love with reality as it is. Evil is not conquered with wishing it didn't exist. It is conquered with deep acceptance and love.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[RisingLane]

I just discovered the perfect song for you.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It might be worth it to sit and write out your beliefs - there are many here in this passage alone.

Begin a really open enquiry into each one. What is it, where is came from. How does it make you feel? What happens in the body when you think about these things? 

You are somewhat anthropomorphising God - as Leo raised. 

Look into that projection 🙏

 

[Lucasxp64]

All of this and more could happen and everything that you dream of, we might build eventually a literal Matrix and people can live all their fantasies all they want outside of even the limitations the physical universe and become literally immortal beings through mind uploading perhaps outlive even the death of this universe and everyone could create their own physically precise universe in some kind of black-hole quantum computer. Or choose to live a biological life naturally.

Humankind (other hominids included) have been fighting for over a couple million years or more against the entropy of the universe, too many things wants to kill us, but it was just easy enough that we could grow out of that suffering, we wouldn't even learn to make a knife with rocks!!! We can't develop and grow if there wasn't suffering. Evolution is suffering, we have "evil" in us because evolution did build selfishness into us to survive.

Yet, do you see modern humans in nation states killing strangers at random? VERY FEW PEOPLE do that. Even criminals rarely go on killing sprees. Even Putin isn't opening fire on a crowd of people in Moscow. Although, they are still brutal, the brutality isn't as bad as second world war with carpet bombing. And we didn't have a nuclear war so far.

Why do you think those AIs/LLMs are so fucking stupid and can't get shit done even though they have vast amounts of information? It's because they aren't being trained against the hard brutal constraints of the physical world interactively, they were trained on inert text bounded by no rules other than the rules of language.

If early humans didn't act selfish and with intelligence against bigger and more brutal animals and their entire tribe and family gets wiped out and we wouldn't have been here. Can you see we are having progress through pain?

If I was a post-human immortal being with control over the universe, and I lived trillions of years, what I'd do is to eventually create new universes, simulated or physical ones, and let life evolve naturally over and over again and watch all of the diversity happen.

If we eliminate pain and we only have pleasure, life and conscious beings can't evolve like it does.

It fucking sucks for us, I might probably die someday of something unnecessarily painful and horrible, but that keeps the fire under my ass to want to transcend.

Why do you think humans UNIVERSALLY think about GOD or SUPERIOR FORCES (Sci-Fi, Fantastical things, Religious belief).

It's because we have those things as goal-posts of what to do next. We are on the path of literally becoming gods if there are no physical limitations on reality that would limit us.

And in fact, I'd go as far as saying, that this universe was possibly created by an infinite chain of intelligent beings creating realities for seeing the beauty of diversity. Maybe it even had a causal beginning from the first intelligent being arising from quantum fluctuations or naturally, or regardless, considering that we can dream of those things and we can learn and manipulate the universe, it will happen by our own hands.

Edited 3 hours ago by Lucasxp64

[strangelooper]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you are expressing here is a personal hurt.

I understand you are hurt, but please be careful not to project that negativity onto God. This is for your own sake, otherwise you will lose yourself in a pit of self-constructed negativity.

Good things happen when you work to create good.

Good doesn't just grow on trees. Unless you are monkey.

You are expressing fantasies of how reality ought to be. Instead you should fall in love with reality as it is. Evil is not conquered with wishing it didn't exist. It is conquered with deep acceptance and love.

Good is not the result of personal effort. Everything is predestined, yes there may be an appearance of effort before some good but good can only exist if it is inside the plan in the first place. I have already surrendered. completely to this malevolent creator, he intentionally destroyed my life, stabbed me in the back multiple times and showed me that all my efforts are in vain and that nothing happens without his will. This is a truth that nobody can deny, to me it is self evident. I'm just some sucker living in the radical implications of oneness and that's not a good place to be. It is a place that no living being deserves to exist in, only to be a pawn in the machinations of the architect of sufffering.

[Breakingthewall]

Good and evil are values judged from a human perspective. Good is what benefits us, and evil is what harms us. This occurs because we are built upon the desire to persist; all of life is based on this: self-preservation.

God is not an entity that decides to do things; God is reality, the cosmos, the totality. If you want to adopt a cosmic perspective, you have to take a step back and rise above your preferences; otherwise, you will only see those preferences.

[Opulence]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

God is reality, the cosmos, the totality.

What's beyond it?

[RisingLane]

2 hours ago, strangelooper said:

Good is not the result of personal effort. Everything is predestined, yes there may be an appearance of effort before some good but good can only exist if it is inside the plan in the first place. I have already surrendered. completely to this malevolent creator, he intentionally destroyed my life, stabbed me in the back multiple times and showed me that all my efforts are in vain and that nothing happens without his will. This is a truth that nobody can deny, to me it is self evident. I'm just some sucker living in the radical implications of oneness and that's not a good place to be. It is a place that no living being deserves to exist in, only to be a pawn in the machinations of the architect of sufffering.

You’re not entirely wrong—life is predetermined, but the next moment is always a mystery.

God didn’t fill your story with only negative moments; it’s just that the ego tends to dwell on them.

God also designs countless good moments.

God is Infinite Goodness. The more beliefs you release, the more clearly you see this truth.

Edited 1 hour ago by RisingLane

[gettoefl]

God allows bad shit. God doesn't endorse bad shit. You need bad shit, to see it and do it, to see it's not worth shit. Only then will you shape up and ship out.

[strangelooper]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Good and evil are values judged from a human perspective. Good is what benefits us, and evil is what harms us. This occurs because we are built upon the desire to persist; all of life is based on this: self-preservation.

God is not an entity that decides to do things; God is reality, the cosmos, the totality. If you want to adopt a cosmic perspective, you have to take a step back and rise above your preferences; otherwise, you will only see those preferences.

that definition of good to me is nurture, sure you can frame it as that which benefits us but that's not the main point it is just a consequence of good, it benefits.

[RisingLane]

38 minutes ago, strangelooper said:

I'm just some sucker living in the radical implications of oneness and that's not a good place to be.

Byron Katie might ask: Is it true? Can you be absolutely sure it’s true? How do you feel when you believe that thought? Who would you be without it?

What if you are the Oneness instead of just a small, separate self? The more you step back from identifying with the character, the more at peace you become with it living out whatever destiny it’s meant to. In the end, it just doesn’t matter anymore.

Edited 2 hours ago by RisingLane

[Ishanga]

@strangelooper I can relate to what You say,, Yesterday in Toronto, a new born babay was found in a shoe box outside a church, thankfully the patron brought the baby in and its in someone's care now.. A person was shot/killed at Toronto University, multiple ppl stabbed throught the city, and ppl die most everyday from stupid car accidents and ppl running away afterwards, this is a daily thing here in Toronto, and the population here is just 5 million I believe.. and Yes the billionaires are mostly corrupt, some are pedo's for sure, the higher up elites that control the world are cruel, wars will continue and with Climate change and other factors (we are already in the 6th extinction event) it doesn't look good for Humanity and all life here on the planet..

But I cannot do really anything about any of this, all I can do is determine my own Wellbeing and Happiness within myself and help those immediately around Me, that is it.. Do I want to Suffer It? No, so I choose not too Suffer it all, I have Free Will, so I can determine that, no God can take that away from You.. That is all You can do!!

 

[strangelooper]

another thing to Leo's point. I believe it is absolutely atrocious to love this reality as it is. if you love reality as it is you're okay with evil being inflicted on innocents, you're okay with lives being destroyed for no purpose of reason. this is the issue with unconditional love and why reality is fundamentally corrupt at its base. Love should be expressed with care, not reckless abandon

[RisingLane]

1 hour ago, strangelooper said:

if you love reality as it is you're okay with evil being inflicted on innocents,

What if that's not what reality is?

There is the Infinite Isness of Reality.

In Isness, all is well.

In that which isn't, things don't seem that well.

Edited 1 hour ago by RisingLane

[strangelooper]

2 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

What if that's not what reality is? You have not yet experienced the Infinite Isness of Reality. In Isness, all is well. You're lost in that which isn't.

I know that that dimension of reality exists, Many dimensions and different states exist too but I'm concerned with what I've experienced in the last 30 years and with what will be experienced for countless eons more. Reality isn't always being that isness, it spends a lot of time being human or animal or plant or alien or whatever else

[Ishanga]

@strangelooper The Basics are this, if You Suffer another's Suffering You are Adding to the overall Suffering going on.. so that is not a solution.. Yes its plenty fucked up out there, but if You suffer it it will be worse..and You'll have no energy or ability to make change if Your suffering it..

So the solution is to make Yourself into what You want to See and Feel out there, but the light as they say, then and only then can things change, never will it change if your suffering it!

[RisingLane]

3 minutes ago, strangelooper said:

I know that that dimension of reality exists, Many dimensions and different states exist too but I'm concerned with what I've experienced in the last 30 years and with what will be experienced for countless eons more. Reality isn't always being that isness, it spends a lot of time being human or animal or plant or alien or whatever else

Reality is always that state of Isness; that’s what makes it Isness. Yet it’s also constantly becoming—always being, always evolving.

I’m not denying the reality of the past, but it might help to stop worrying about what could happen.

If you’d like, check out this talk by Adya—it always brings me a sense of peace:

 

[Gigsi]

Does anyone here actually understand why extreme suffering is justified? I’ve met people whose life was just complete anxiety, fear, judgement, abuse - every single day thinking about giving up, and this went on for years and years.

My own life so far has been more stress and anxiety than bliss and love. Not even bliss - just calmness and peace would be enough, but I haven’t found it even though I’ve been searching for years already. I’m sure I’ll get the answer “well that means you didn’t search enough” haha, but anyway.

I get what you’re saying OP. When stress, pain and suffering go on for years, and if there’s some energy or being or cosmic consciousness imagining all this thinking “oh this is great, that’s what it should be” - without some extremely huge awakening of why such complete suffering makes sense, it seems like this supreme god being could have been a little bit more loving. And yes, loving from a human perspective, because we ARE human and this suffering, whether it’s illusion or whatever you want to call it, feels as real as it gets.

And honestly, most of these answers that say “god is love” or “reality is love” - sorry but it sounds like coping more than words from someone who’s really saying this from their real feelings and direct experience.

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[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Gigsi said:

Does anyone here actually understand why extreme suffering is justified? I’ve met people whose life was just complete anxiety, fear, judgement, abuse - every single day thinking about giving up, and this went on for years and years.

My own life so far has been more stress and anxiety than bliss and love. Not even bliss - just calmness and peace would be enough, but I haven’t found it even though I’ve been searching for years already. I’m sure I’ll get the answer “well that means you didn’t search enough” haha, but anyway.

I get what you’re saying OP. When stress, pain and suffering go on for years, and if there’s some energy or being or cosmic consciousness imagining all this thinking “oh this is great, that’s what it should be” - without some extremely huge awakening of why such complete suffering makes sense, it seems like this supreme god being could have been a little bit more loving. And yes, loving from a human perspective, because we ARE human and this suffering, whether it’s illusion or whatever you want to call it, feels as real as it gets.

Most of the Suffering us Humans feel is self made, yes some ppl are living in hell holes but many of them are at peace, I've listened to lots of first hand reports of ppl living in 3rd world countries that are basically okay, at peace, mostly because they don't know what they are missing lol, but are they really missing anything? The wealthiest societies are the most unhappy societies and are doing the worst things to each other and the planet!

This is the grand plan imo, the power players call them elites, want us this way, they want us to feel a sort of freedom when in reality we are not free at all.. The lost tribes in Africa and other places are more free than the avg. westerner!  We are slaves to time and the $$, the elites are slaves to Power and Control and are nuts!  But they set up our societies so that basically ppl suffer it in many levels..

They don't want us to know we have our own Power to control how we are within ourselves, cause when we find this out and experience it, then we are more empowered than they are and take back control which they do not want.. 

So just take care of Yourself first, fix what is broken (self start suffering, living in past/future, not accepting, etc) and then everything will be fine with You, then You can take on larger challenges!!