God is actually evil

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Life is not Suffering, Life is not Love, or War, or Joy, it is what YOU make of it

Life is suffering in the sense that all life is will of permanence being impermanent. And all that stuff about unconsciousness, human violence, injustice, are the ways that reality finds to maintain the exact tension for optimal progression 

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Life is suffering in the sense that all life is will of permanence being impermanent. And all that stuff about unconsciousness, human violence, injustice, are the ways that reality finds to maintain the exact tension for optimal progression 

Is this world today optimal progression, not in my pov, we are degressing from what I can see and tell... 

What does it mean to be Human? To suffer thru life so the next generation can live better, which doesn't work? 

To be Human at the min means I can determine my inner Experience, do I want to Suffer or Not? I don't that is for sure.. So I choose to be Happy, this is proven to be healthier for our Body and Mind, if its healthier than what is the problem...

Just imagine if half the suffering today was eliminated, half the wars, the personal suffering, bad marriages, abuse, drug and other addictions which come from internal suffering and pain..The world would be transform for sure!!

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Let′s suppose that you were able, every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have.

And you would, naturally, as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say, "Well, that was pretty great".

But now let's, um, let's have a surprise. Let′s have a dream which isn′t under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it′s gonna be. And you would dig that and would come out of that and you would say. "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?". Then you would get more and more adventurous. And you would make further and further-out gambles as to what you would dream.

And finally, you would dream where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today. That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren′t God. Because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not.

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Let′s suppose that you were able, every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have.

And you would, naturally, as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say, "Well, that was pretty great".

But now let's, um, let's have a surprise. Let′s have a dream which isn′t under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it′s gonna be. And you would dig that and would come out of that and you would say. "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?". Then you would get more and more adventurous. And you would make further and further-out gambles as to what you would dream.

And finally, you would dream where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today. That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren′t God. Because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not.

You can do this right now, You have an imagination right, focus on it, make it Your lifes work for a year to focus on Your imagination, then control it as You see fit, imagine anything You want..lol we have this tool but we still go to movies with a 2D image and luv it.. That is how far away from our potential we are...

Edited 19 hours ago by Ishanga

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Let′s suppose that you were able, every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have.

And you would, naturally, as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say, "Well, that was pretty great".

But now let's, um, let's have a surprise. Let′s have a dream which isn′t under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it′s gonna be. And you would dig that and would come out of that and you would say. "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?". Then you would get more and more adventurous. And you would make further and further-out gambles as to what you would dream.

And finally, you would dream where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today. That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren′t God. Because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not.

At least give credit To Alan Watts. I'm honestly not sure it's word-by-word quote but I heard him say this 100% . 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

16 minutes ago, Someone here said:

At least give credit To Alan Watts. I'm honestly not sure it's word-by-word quote but I heard him say this 100% . 

Yeah it’s the lyrics to a song that uses one of Alan Watts’ talks. I thought it fits perfectly as an answer to OP’s question 😁

[cetus]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

At least give credit To Alan Watts. I'm honestly not sure it's word-by-word quote but I heard him say this 100% . 

It's from his lecture "The Dream of Life"  

   

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Is this world today optimal progression, not in my pov, we are degressing from what I can see and tell... 

What does it mean to be Human? To suffer thru life so the next generation can live better, which doesn't work? 

To be Human at the min means I can determine my inner Experience, do I want to Suffer or Not? I don't that is for sure.. So I choose to be Happy, this is proven to be healthier for our Body and Mind, if its healthier than what is the problem...

Just imagine if half the suffering today was eliminated, half the wars, the personal suffering, bad marriages, abuse, drug and other addictions which come from internal suffering and pain..The world would be transform for sure!!

Life is a balanced system of a complexity that goes beyond our comprehension. Obviously, it would be better for us if there were no wars, child prostitution, or fentanyl, but if you want to see reality from a broader perspective, you have to set aside human bias.

Perhaps if everything were as you say, humanity would collapse in 40 years; on the other hand, with things as they are, I colonized galaxies in two centuries, to give an example.

Perhaps that's not optimal for you, but you're not the one who chooses. The movements of life are cosmic movements; we can't judge them from particular perspectives, only observe and try to understand

[Ishanga]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Life is a balanced system of a complexity that goes beyond our comprehension. Obviously, it would be better for us if there were no wars, child prostitution, or fentanyl, but if you want to see reality from a broader perspective, you have to set aside human bias.

Perhaps if everything were as you say, humanity would collapse in 40 years; on the other hand, with things as they are, I colonized galaxies in two centuries, to give an example.

Perhaps that's not optimal for you, but you're not the one who chooses. The movements of life are cosmic movements; we can't judge them from particular perspectives, only observe and try to understand

We can only do this thru this vessel called the Human Mechanism we have available to us, it has to see clearly what the reality is, that is not possible thru suffering states of experience as then "What about Me, my body, my mind, my family" clouds that ability to have clarity, fix that, make Yourself in away where Suffering is not possible (first for You then share it with all you can), then change will happen, then we can clearly see without human bias what is the Reality from a broader perspective, this is not done via intellectual researching or debate or trying to figure it out that way imo..

[Ponder]

9 hours ago, Davino said:

God is not evil, God is masochistic

Haha yeah seems accurate 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Ponder

[Thought Art]

@Meeksauce nuh uh

[Carl-Richard]

God is everything.

[Jodistrict]

The central concern is “why is there suffering”?   It’s not an accident that this is the First Nobel Truth of Buddhism (there is suffering) and the central motif of Christianity (Christ suffering on the Cross).   Everyone has their own theory.  The real answer: nobody knows.

[Yimpa]

 

[RisingLane]

God is Infinite Goodness.

Evil is just an idea.

[Thought Art]

@Yimpa WHY YOU DO THIS

[Yimpa]

2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Yimpa WHY YOU DO THIS

[RisingLane]

"The ultimate love is to love selfishness. There's a deep acceptance of your own evil. You can't defeat evil, because evil is not something that exists in the world. Evil is something that's constructed by your own finite definition of yourself. So all you have to do to defeat evil is to defeat your finite self, and then that will lead to the infinite self, and to love. Evil never existed. Evil was just your own fucking selfishness looking out at the world and being upset at things, and the reason you were upset at things is they were impinging on your survival. But when you're selfless, you no longer care about surviving; therefore, nothing can impinge upon you. The reason God is love is because nothing can harm God, because it has no needs and has no self. If it has no self, it's immortal, so what does it have to be afraid of? It can't be afraid, because it's all things, because it's all seeing. When you see all of yourself, and you accept all of yourself, and you love all of yourself, you can't fear yourself; that's the ultimate power. Truth is love. The whole challenge of life is surrendering more and more of yourself to reach the infinite self. God is infinite selflessness." - Leo Gura (From the interview with Curt)

Edited 11 hours ago by RisingLane

[Ishanga]

18 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The central concern is “why is there suffering”?   It’s not an accident that this is the First Nobel Truth of Buddhism (there is suffering) and the central motif of Christianity (Christ suffering on the Cross).   Everyone has their own theory.  The real answer: nobody knows.

First what is suffering. meaning only the Body and Mind suffers right? Who has a Body and Mind? Each of Us right. There is no mystical force elsewhere or a God elsewhere putting suffering on You right? So, its only a matter of why is my Body and Mind producing Suffering.. Pain is real, Suffering is a choice, of course some have severe physical pain due to ailments or accidents and such, this shit happens, but otherwise the majority of Suffering is Self Made Suffering, mostly mental, no life form suffers like humans do in this way.. And its related to two simple ideas, they live in the past or future via their memory or imagination, and they resist what is Now, if You can eliminate those two things 80% then most all suffering will be gone for the individual...Societies and Cultures suffer as a whole because of simple Control from the powers up above the elites, they want us to be in suffering mode so we don't reach our innate potentials that Humans have..this is a control mechanism, and is world wide...

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

The central concern is “why is there suffering”?   It’s not an accident that this is the First Nobel Truth of Buddhism (there is suffering) and the central motif of Christianity (Christ suffering on the Cross).   Everyone has their own theory.  The real answer: nobody knows.

It's very obvious, Life is a self-preserving system within a universe. Self-preserving implies a will to preserve itself, to repair itself, to strive to be. Suffering is everything that goes against that will. In the end, life dies; its will to be is overcome. This is suffering. The suffering of a cell is the same as the symbolic suffering of a psychological mind, only in another dimension.