Are incredible men just average women?

[CARDOZZO]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Because in reality the patriarchy was built by an elite group of men. 

Indeed.

How would you feel if you discovered that women always had all the keys to dissolve patriarchy? How would you feel if you discovered that feminism was a psyops to brainwash women into thinking they are powerless and man are the bad ones?

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[CARDOZZO]

55 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes it is a HUGE point of difference and many women - almost all women I know in my personal life, do not understand it or comprehend how much of a need it is. My respect to the men who can channel and contain this immense desire in a healthy & powerful way that avoids exploitation and enhances connection and creativity  

spread the word  

[EternalForest]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You elaborated better the point I was trying to move toward earlier.

I think masturbation has nothing to do with sex, personally.

2 different things, fulfilling totally different needs.

Thank you, and thanks for understanding. A lot of men's problems are self-created but a lot of them are also circumstantial out of our control and we're socially stigmatized from speaking out, the same way women are for certain things... So empathy from women like you honestly means the world.

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[Lila9]

8 hours ago, CARDOZZO said:

Are you seeing a shift? Where do you see this kind of masculinity? 

If you talk to the regular Joe on the street, they are actually more prone to be a victim than to be a perpretator of this toxic masculinity worldview.

The majority of man just wants three things: full belly, empty balls and feeling useful.

I know it sounds simple but the regular man just needs it.

 

I see this among conservatives, the pro-life dudes, the incels, the red pills, the religious authorities, but also among liberal men and even “normal” dudes, in the way they consume women’s bodies in the form of porn and talk about women when there are no women around. The dehumanizing and degrading way it happens speaks entitlement. The covert and subtle misogyny, the two-faced nice guy.

And this is not a black or white issue. Men are certainly victims of patriarchy, but also the enablers of it. Women enable it too, especially the right-wing conservative ones, but there are various women who enable it without realizing.

Patriarchy is a system which enables male and female toxic behavior, which protects first and foremost the most immoral men and the women who unconditionally support them.

But the issue I see with men who get hurt by patriarchy is that they rarely blame it on the patriarchy or the elite men who reinforce those patriarchal beliefs, they admire them!

 They always blame women. They rarely look inside, or in the right direction, to understand it and to make life better for everyone.

 

[Lila9]

8 hours ago, EternalForest said:

Are you serious? If anything, you see ME as a machine if you think jacking off alone will make me happy. What the fuck?

Jacking off is a dopamine hit at best, it doesn't truly satisfy the soul. 

I mean, masturbation isn't even in the same CATEGORY as intimate sex with someone who loves you. 

And are you really pulling the "natural selection" card and saying some men are meant to die virgins?

I've never had sex at all, let alone with someone who loves me, and for that I feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I could masturbate everyday for the rest of my life and it still won't fill the void.

So what I truly want isn't sex, it's a deep, fulfilling relationship.

You're wrong about me, Lila.

The language you use, such as men being “denied” sex, is incel and red pill rhetoric of entitlement. This is problematic and shows a lack of empathy toward women, which may be the reason you are “denied” sex to begin with, because you are not emotionally safe.

I can empathize with your pain and romantic needs, but you don’t have to turn them into such rhetoric and blame all of your problems on women while never holding men in power (and the men and women who enable them) that reinforce the system which hurts everyone, accountable.

 

 

[Lila9]

 

[CARDOZZO]

2 hours ago, Lila9 said:

I see this among conservatives, the pro-life dudes, the incels, the red pills, the religious authorities, but also among liberal men and even “normal” dudes, in the way they consume women’s bodies in the form of porn and talk about women when there are no women around. The dehumanizing and degrading way it happens speaks entitlement. The covert and subtle misogyny, the two-faced nice guy.

And this is not a black or white issue. Men are certainly victims of patriarchy, but also the enablers of it. Women enable it too, especially the right-wing conservative ones, but there are various women who enable it without realizing.

Patriarchy is a system which enables male and female toxic behavior, which protects first and foremost the most immoral men and the women who unconditionally support them.

But the issue I see with men who get hurt by patriarchy is that they rarely blame it on the patriarchy or the elite men who reinforce those patriarchal beliefs, they admire them!

 They always blame women. They rarely look inside, or in the right direction, to understand it and to make life better for everyone.

 

How would be a world without patriarchy? How would it works? What do you think about misandry? Equal Rights? 

[Lila9]

55 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

How would be a world without patriarchy? How would it works? What do you think about misandry? Equal Rights? 

Such a good question.

A non-patriarchal society would be centered around motherhood and children. Children are the life force of society, they are the future! And mothers, who bring children into the world, do difficult and sacred labor that is overlooked under patriarchy.

Look at how single mothers are treated, and even non-single mothers. They are not appreciated enough, society doesn’t care about mothers much, even though they perform some of the most difficult labor in the world.

Under patriarchy, society is centered around the male ego and its will to be immortal. There is a severe issue with surrender and the acceptance of death. Women and children are used as mere tools to protect men’s ego and “continuity,” rather than being recognized as the life force they are.

Patriarchy is a cult of death, of old men. Of materialism, of rationality, of capitalism, of colonialism.

Death for everyone else but patriarchy, it is like a malignant cancer that would kill every single healthy cell in order to thrive. 

There is an accumulation of possessions and greed rather than sharing. This is not human nature. Healthy humans share once their basic needs are met, sick humans hoard at the expense of everyone else.

There is an emphasis on artificial hierarchy rather than a natural one, which is do disconnected from truth.
 

Repression of emotions and creativity. Have you noticed that the most intuitive, feminine, creative, and highly compassionate people usually would be the poorest and most under appreciated people under patriarchy, while the most egocentric, narcissistic, psychopathic people are the biggest winners. Imagine a society in which compassion and creativity are among the top values and how advanced such society is. This is a non-patriarchal society.

It has nothing to do with misandry or female supremacy.

In fact, when I criticize patriarchy, I do it out of love for humanity, women and men, children and animals, and everyone on this planet. I want everyone to thrive. I am seeing the potential of what we could become.

If you are open enough, I can share more resources like this:

https://celestemdavis.substack.com/p/the-antidote-to-patriarchy-and-patriarchal?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

Edited 3 hours ago by Lila9

[Schizophonia]

11 hours ago, EternalForest said:

Are you serious? If anything, you see ME as a machine if you think jacking off alone will make me happy. What the fuck?

Jacking off is a dopamine hit at best, it doesn't truly satisfy the soul. 

I mean, masturbation isn't even in the same CATEGORY as intimate sex with someone who loves you. 

And are you really pulling the "natural selection" card and saying some men are meant to die virgins?

I've never had sex at all, let alone with someone who loves me, and for that I feel like I'm missing out on something huge. I could masturbate everyday for the rest of my life and it still won't fill the void.

So what I truly want isn't sex, it's a deep, fulfilling relationship.

You're wrong about me, Lila.

To spread my Marxist propaganda a bit 😏; note that what hurts you in what she says isn't her "feminist" software, but her individualistic one.
Even a kind of hidden discourse of domination (misandry) which automatically frustrates you because you think you are socially declassified.

The only thing to do is control your mental dialogue and reject limiting beliefs, even if it means sacrifying from your life objects that remind you of limiting beliefs; it's basically essentially what buddhism turns around.

From a political point of view, a left-wing government would be in favour of putting in place social policies so that people have the means to socialize.

[Schizophonia]

27 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Such a good question.

A non-patriarchal society would be centered around motherhood and children. Children are the life force of society, they are the future! And mothers, who bring children into the world, do difficult and sacred labor that is overlooked under patriarchy.

Look at how single mothers are treated, and even non-single mothers. They are not appreciated enough, society doesn’t care about mothers much, even though they perform some of the most difficult labor in the world.

Under patriarchy, society is centered around the male ego and its will to be immortal. There is a severe issue with surrender and the acceptance of death. Women and children are used as mere tools to protect men’s ego and “continuity,” rather than being recognized as the life force they are.

Patriarchy is a cult of death, of old men. Of materialism, of rationality, of capitalism, of colonialism.

Death for everyone else but patriarchy, it is like a malignant cancer that would kill every single healthy cell in order to thrive. 

There is an accumulation of possessions and greed rather than sharing. This is not human nature. Healthy humans share once their basic needs are met, sick humans hoard at the expense of everyone else.

There is an emphasis on artificial hierarchy rather than a natural one, which is do disconnected from truth.
 

Repression of emotions and creativity. Have you noticed that the most intuitive, feminine, creative, and highly compassionate people usually would be the poorest and most under appreciated people under patriarchy, while the most egocentric, narcissistic, psychopathic people are the biggest winners. Imagine a society in which compassion and creativity are among the top values and how advanced such society is. This is a non-patriarchal society.

It has nothing to do with misandry or female supremacy.

In fact, when I criticize patriarchy, I do it out of love for humanity, women and men, children and animals, and everyone on this planet. I want everyone to thrive. I am seeing the potential of what we could become.

That's one of the most lowkey sexist (and new age) delirium I've ever read.

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[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

That's one of the most lowkey sexist (and new age) delirium I've ever read.

I'd suggest reading it again while being critical of your sexist claim.

Edited 2 hours ago by Elliott

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

I'd suggest reading it again while being critical of your sexist claim.

She believes that the collective subject is essentially qualitatively associated with the majority sex in institutions.

It's like me telling you that "whiteness" is a problem because white people are serious and hoarders, while Black people just dance; and that therefore by putting more Black people in power we'll be able to create a more relaxed society; lol.

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[Lila9]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

That's one of the most lowkey sexist (and new age) delirium I've ever read.

No, this is not what I said.

The first victims of white supremacy culture were white people, their indigenous religions, which connected them to nature and their humanity, were erased in favor of becoming white.

Then they imposed it on the rest of the world. If white people are aware of the way their attachment to white culture is hurting them snd disconnects them from their humanity, and hurting the rest of the world, we can start to heal and create a better world in which everybody would benefit.

(more about the deconstruction of whiteness: https://christianortiz.substack.com/p/you-werent-born-white-you-were-made )

Same with patriarchy.

In order to become a patriarch, a man has to erase part of himself, his femininity, even though it makes him whole, complete, and happy, he traded it for dominance and control. And now he is miserable. No amount of money or power will fill the hole.

 

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[Elliott]

23 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

She believes that the collective subject is essentially qualitatively associated with the majority sex in institutions.

It's like me telling you that "whiteness" is a problem because white people are serious and hoarders, while Black people just dance; and that therefore by putting more Black people in power we'll be able to create a more relaxed society; lol.

? Where did she mention institutions? By patriarchy, she's referring to the dynamic and mindset of society, not who are ceos and presidents.

[Lila9]

5 minutes ago, Elliott said:

? Where did she mention institutions? By patriarchy, she's referring to the dynamic and mindset of society, not who are ceos and presidents.

Exactly. 

[EternalForest]

6 hours ago, Lila9 said:

The language you use, such as men being “denied” sex, is incel and red pill rhetoric of entitlement. This is problematic and shows a lack of empathy toward women, which may be the reason you are “denied” sex to begin with, because you are not emotionally safe.

I can empathize with your pain and romantic needs, but you don’t have to turn them into such rhetoric and blame all of your problems on women while never holding men in power (and the men and women who enable them) that reinforce the system which hurts everyone, accountable.

 

 

 

Actually, I've been told by most of the girls I've been in long distance/online relationships with and the many in-person male friends in my life that I'm very emotionally sensitive for a man. I'm very emotional and on top of that I'm an INFP or INTP. In theory, I should get along better with women (if they are supposed to be more emotionally advanced) but in practice I do not.

Regarding the incel and red pill, you should ask yourself why those exist instead of framing everyone who even uses "rhetoric" adjacent to them. Leo himself says in several of his videos that these movements, including MGTOW make a lot of good points that get drowned out by the actions of a few terrible men who use the same ideological label.

Men in power are irrelavent to me. I don't benefit from any of their profits or social status. Just because Queen Elizabeth was one of the most powerful women in the world doesn't mean that 90% of women weren't oppressed during her time in power.

Edited 23 minutes ago by EternalForest

[Schizophonia]

16 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

No, this is not what I said.

The first victims of white supremacy culture were white people, their indigenous religions, which connected them to nature and their humanity, were erased in favor of becoming white.

Then they imposed it on the rest of the world. If white people are aware of the way their attachment to white culture is hurting them snd disconnects them from their humanity, and hurting the rest of the world, we can start to heal and create a better world in which everybody would benefit.

(more about the deconstruction of whiteness: https://christianortiz.substack.com/p/you-werent-born-white-you-were-made )

Same with patriarchy.

In order to become a patriarch, a man has to erase part of himself, his femininity, even though it makes him whole, complete, and happy, he traded it for dominance and control. And now he is miserable. No amount of money or power will fill the hole.

 

The problem for me is that you're completely idealistic; that is to say you're essentializing collective subjects.

There are certainly biological differences between Black and White people, but if it had been the Malians who initiated the Industrial Revolution, and if women were more muscular than men in that agrarian then industrialized world that demands greater physical strength, preferably not being pregnant and greater empathy for children, then Black people would also have lost their religion, they would have become capitalist and imperialist, and there would be a "matriarchy" with men who criticize it for the same reasons.

So I am not anti-feminist or against anti-racism per se, but if as I believe since I come from Marxism, it is the material question, the distribution of wealth, that essentially influences collective subjects and their relationships with each other; then this framework for interpretation is useless and will tend to create hostility; since it suggests that it is the fault of men, of white people or whatever if something happens, because of their essence or because of what is "contained in them" for "some reason".