Deconstructing Rationality - Part 2 - New Video

[Davino]

Quote

No formal method could be deducted from atomic facts

That's a good one

[Rafael Thundercat]

A experience on the "physicality is something you are imagining " 

Yesterday I woke up and realized I sleep over my hand and it was totally with no circulation. I was using my other hand to hold my rigth arm and it felt like I was holding the hand of a death body. Super Weird, scary.. with seconds I could move my hand and make blood circulate on it again and I regain the moving capacity to my hand again. Imagine to not feel your whole body the same way I could not feel my hand. 

[Davino]

I have a doubt. From an individual standpoint I follow clearly the prerational, rational and postrational path of cognitive evolution, but for a collective (e.g. a company) how would that happen?

For example in my job I can see the different evolution stages of a company. First it's all chaotic, informal and inefficient, then through a maturation process and tested methodologies a set of formal, ordered and efficient processes are put into place, that coordinate all the pieces of a complex watch that is a company. I'm curious to see your vision, what is the next step then? After it's all formalised and rational, what is the postrational stage of a collective working together in a company?

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Davino said:

After it's all formalised and rational, what is the postrational stage of a collective working together in a company?

That's hard for me to answer because I don't work in organizations like that.

I am not the right guy to pioneer that. That's something one of you should take on as a life purpose.

Consider that the test of everything you learned here.

Edited Wednesday at 09:32 AM by Leo Gura

[Davino]

@Leo Gura You have broken through how that would look like for an individual, so I thought about the next stage. I just find it fascinating to contemplate the topic in a collective level. The main challenge for the collective is that there's so much entropy that formalism and rationality is what ties it all together. I'll have an eye open for how collective post-rationalism would look like and report insights and possible evidence. 

Edited Wednesday at 10:39 AM by Davino

[Davino]

Sharing an insight:

Rationality fails because Reality is infinite. Rationality works increasingly better the more limited or finite a system is.

[Terell Kirby]

@Leo Gura can we expect a comprehensive steelman of rationalism in the coming episode(s)?- that would bring it full circle I feel

Edited yesterday at 01:57 AM by Terell Kirby

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

can we expect a comprehensive steelman of rationalism in the coming episode(s)

No. Because the thesis of the series is that rationalism is a self-deception.

If you wish to steelman it, that's a good homework assignment for you.

I plan to eventually make an episode that teaches rationality. You could consider that the steelman. But that will be a while.

Edited yesterday at 02:03 AM by Leo Gura

[LambdaDelta]

11 hours ago, Davino said:

Rationality fails because Reality is infinite. Rationality works increasingly better the more limited or finite a system is.

It's in the name — 'ratio', or fraction, which is not the whole. Arithmetically, 'rational' is just "expressible in finite terms", so of course that cannot be done for the infinite. But there is a higher-order rationality where every fraction is a whole and finite terms are revealed to be infinite.

[Terell Kirby]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you wish to steelman it, that's a good homework assignment for you.

thats good homework .. ok

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I plan to eventually make an episode that teaches rationality.

good to re-learn it after seeing all of its self deceptions