Toronto Dating Coach Charged With Rape: Dangers of PUA?

[Lyubov]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/i-was-able-to-fight-for-myself-woman-comes-forward-after-dating-coach-charged-with-sexual-assault/
 

Another one catching charges.

PUA model has some serious shortcomings to it. 

[Schizophonia]

It makes me think to Denmo, he was Canadian too.

[CARDOZZO]

The moment you call yourself a PUA, it is all over. 

[Raze]

I talked to someone who knows him. Justin claims he has no idea who the girl is and she’s working with some politician who is targeting nightclubs and using him as a scapegoat. 

[something_else]

19 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

The moment you call yourself a PUA, it is all over. 

There are core elements of PUA model that are valuable, but there is SO much bullshit and immorality. I've always framed it more as a journey to improve social skills and confidence, if I happen to get laid along the way then that's great. I think that's a much healthier way to view it than fully identifying with the pickup model or becoming a 'pickup artist'

[CARDOZZO]

1 minute ago, something_else said:

There are core elements of PUA model that are valuable, but there is SO much bullshit and immorality. I've always framed it more as a journey to improve social skills and confidence, if I happen to get laid along the way then that's great. I think that's a much healthier way to view it than fully identifying with the pickup model or becoming a 'pickup artist'

I agree. Mark Manson (Models) is a healthy form of PUA, Alan Roger Currie (Mode One).

[Shermaningeorgia]

PUA is a bs model that should have died once "David de Angelo" started using his real name,.

[Ulax]

On 02/01/2026 at 2:57 PM, Shermaningeorgia said:

PUA is a bs model that should have died once "David de Angelo" started using his real name,.

Nah its not BS.

Proper PUA is just applying the scientific method to casual dating, and then doing what works. 

The main issue imo with PUA is that people often do literally (besides getting sexual consent) whatever works without regard for whether its ethical, i.e. manipulative, or psychologically unhealthy, i.e. disowning unattractive parts of themselves.

Edited 17 hours ago by Ulax

[LordFall]

On 12/9/2025 at 9:11 AM, Raze said:

I talked to someone who knows him. Justin claims he has no idea who the girl is and she’s working with some politician who is targeting nightclubs and using him as a scapegoat. 

I know Justin myself and I believe the accusations. He's a very smart guy but manipulative and pushy. I've seen him blackmail a girl in front of me before. 

Nothing necessarily about game has to be evil but it can be used for selfish ends like anything. Truth and transparency are important and Justin doesn't really believe in that. 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

I know Justin myself and I believe the accusations. He's a very smart guy but manipulative and pushy. I've seen him blackmail a girl in front of me before. 

Nothing necessarily about game has to be evil but it can be used for selfish ends like anything. Truth and transparency are important and Justin doesn't really believe in that. 

That doesn’t prove the accusation true, it’s a separate incident and separate behavior even if what you say is true.