Conformity Examples Mega-Thread

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I have tried a lot of different shoes - been distance running all my life. As well as cycling/weights. 15 years in retail 9hrs on my feet the whole time.

I run in Hokas - but black. 

I have tried many different shoes, including Vibrams. Hokas have been the best for my gait. Trial and error. All the nurses we work with (well, work for, in a sense) swear by them, and they are similarly on their feet all day.

Eat shit, conformity 

[Vali2003]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I have tried a lot of different shoes - been distance running all my life. As well as cycling/weights. 15 years in retail 9hrs on my feet the whole time.

I run in Hokas - but black. 

I have tried many different shoes, including Vibrams. Hokas have been the best for my gait. Trial and error. All the nurses we work with (well, work for, in a sense) swear by them, and they are similarly on their feet all day.

Eat shit, conformity 

Fair point. Still, the cushioning will make your feet weaker over time. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Just now, Vali2003 said:

Fair point. Still, the cushioning will make your feet weaker over time. 

TBH outside of running I do not wear shoes at all if I can help it. I like the feedback from the ground. I do not own high heels and really dislike them.

But I think unnatural surfaces (IE concrete, bitumen) contribute to half the issues that necessitate cushioning in footwear? Fatigue hiking in bushland with flat shoes seems non-existent in comparison. I also found back pain originates from the feet (for myself, anyway).

[UnbornTao]

20 minutes ago, Vali2003 said:

@UnbornTao It depends on the state your feet are in. The problem is, if your feet are weak then it would be a bad idea to just start running with barefoot shoes. 

Some people have such strong feet — and the tensegrity network that results from that — that they can run marathons without shoes altogether.

This guy, for example, won the Olympics 1960 barefooted. 

It’s quite a complicated issue, honestly, because the feet are not isolated. Through fascia, they connect to your glutes. However, if this fascial connection is weak, your feet will be weak and you’ll need cushioned shoes which try to ‘replace’ this connection. This only makes the glutes connection weaker over time, though and so all sorts of problems will appear. 

Anyways, sorry for the rant. I’d recommend slowly transitioning to barefoot shoes — there are a couple ones that look decent. If you don’t like them, I’d pick shoes that have a flat sole and low heel. 

 

Thanks. Wouldn't most people's feet be weak by this criterion after a lifetime of wearing highly cushioned shoes?

Chanclas will do for now 

[Vali2003]

8 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Thanks. Wouldn't most people's feet be weak by this criterion after a lifetime of wearing highly cushioned shoes?

Chanclas will do for now 

Yes… they would and they are. ^^ 

[Jannes]

47 minutes ago, Vali2003 said:

Fair point. Still, the cushioning will make your feet weaker over time. 

If you havent run barefoot all your life you would need a lot of very specific training to restrengthen your feet again, just going backfoot again doenst work, your feet wont just go back to how they were. Your feet will become stronger barefoot in some capacity but also stiff with an arch above the middle foot. 

I use a realistic compromise, 10mm flat sole and wide toe box. 

[Vali2003]

15 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

TBH outside of running I do not wear shoes at all if I can help it. I like the feedback from the ground. I do not own high heels and really dislike them.

But I think unnatural surfaces (IE concrete, bitumen) contribute to half the issues that necessitate cushioning in footwear? Fatigue hiking in bushland with flat shoes seems non-existent in comparison. I also found back pain originates from the feet (for myself, anyway).

It depends on how strong (connected to your glutes) your feet are. The problem is, most people have very weak feet so they definitely shouldn’t run barefoot on concrete. They will just get injured.

If the connection is strong, however, you will have a natural forefoot strike and your feet will be very tense so you wouldn’t have to worry even if you run on something like concrete. There are still issues like glass on the floor, cold temperatures, the skin on your foot getting hurt and things like that, of course. So I’m not saying you should run barefoot. 

Actually, running — or moving in general — on hard floors as a kid will improve the strength and health of your feet. Look at Brazilian kids playing football barefooted on concrete for example. 

 

[Vali2003]

35 minutes ago, Jannes said:

If you havent run barefoot all your life you would need a lot of very specific training to restrengthen your feet again, just going backfoot again doenst work, your feet wont just go back to how they were. Your feet will become stronger barefoot in some capacity but also stiff with an arch above the middle foot. 

I use a realistic compromise, 10mm flat sole and wide toe box. 

Very specific training just means gradually introducing more barefoot activity, no? 

[Carl-Richard]

You know what the problem I have with "conformity" as a concept? Any example of conformity you bring up, can also not be conformity. Now that's a challenge for you.

And of course it's hyper-general and therefore hyper-uninteresting unless used in a relevant and specific way. Like a thread like this is about as interesting as "Food Examples Mega-Thread". It can really only be interesting if you have a fetish for foods.

Edited 4 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Food Examples Mega-Thread".

Avocado.

[Vali2003]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You know what the problem I have with "conformity" as a concept? Any example of conformity you bring up, can also not be conformity. Now that's a challenge for you.

And of course it's hyper-general and therefore hyper-uninteresting unless used in a relevant and specific way. Like a thread like this is about as interesting as "Food Examples Mega-Thread". It can really only be interesting if you have a fetish for foods.

I think you’re strawmanning a little. What you’re saying is theoretically true, but most examples I’ve read here have been relevant and useful — at least for me. 

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

Avocado.

Here's a controversial one: rocks.

i.e. minerals, such as NaCl, KCl, MgO, and solid H2O (ice) believe it or not.

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Vali2003 said:

I think you’re strawmanning a little.

Hyperbole is healthy when conformism is abundant.

 

3 minutes ago, Vali2003 said:

What you’re saying is theoretically true, but most examples I’ve read here have been relevant and useful — at least for me. 

I mean using the word in a relevant and useful way, like in a sentence discussing some topic or while doing something useful, not finding a relevant and useful example of the word.

[Vali2003]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Hyperbole is healthy when conformism is abundant.

 

I mean using the word in a relevant and useful way, like in a sentence discussing some topic or while doing something useful, not finding a relevant and useful example of the word.

Ok, so the problem you have with the thread is you don’t see the use in finding examples of conformity in general, not that the examples were not relevant? 

I think that’s fair. For me, I find the thread cool because I start being aware of more areas where I conform as I see everything through the conformity lens.

[r0ckyreed]

Taylor Swift Fate of Ophelia Choreography. 

[Leo Gura]

It takes intelligence to understand what is conformity and what isn't. You guys want to make it into some mechanical thing.

[Leo Gura]

Christians demonizing demons is conformity.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Avocado.

Avocados are highly overrated fruit.

[Opulence]

@Leo Gura