Democrats cave on ACA shutdown.

[Apparition of Jack]

https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-congress-trump-641e7e2324f261da72395b604d9540e8

Not sure what to make of this. On one hand, it’s basically a political win for the Republicans, because it lets them gut healthcare without offering anything in return.

On the other hand, things like FAA workers not being able to direct flights was really messing with the country so the shutdown had to end at some point. Also, even though it’s coming to an end, the discourse has been around how bad the Republicans are on healthcare from what I’ve seen, so the damage is done.

Thoughts? Did the Dems cave too early? Is it time to get rid of the old guard of Dem politicians who keep letting the Republicans ruin America, or was this agreement justified? 
 

 

[Inliytened1]

21 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

https://apnews.com/article/government-shutdown-congress-trump-641e7e2324f261da72395b604d9540e8

Not sure what to make of this. On one hand, it’s basically a political win for the Republicans, because it lets them gut healthcare without offering anything in return.

On the other hand, things like FAA workers not being able to direct flights was really messing with the country so the shutdown had to end at some point. Also, even though it’s coming to an end, the discourse has been around how bad the Republicans are on healthcare from what I’ve seen, so the damage is done.

Thoughts? Did the Dems cave too early? Is it time to get rid of the old guard of Dem politicians who keep letting the Republicans ruin America, or was this agreement justified? 
 

 

Bro people can't eat.  The right are monsters to force the left into defeat. 

All I can say is you guys better have a plan in place to overtake these goons.  

Worst President ever and not because nothing good happened but because he promised the world and delivered nothing.  

Groceries aren't even affordable anymore.  Inflation is at an all time high.  

Good immigrants are being forced out.

Mofhers can get abortions if they choose.. 

And wars rage on - Putin laughed in Trumps face.

This is an all out nightmare

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[Talinn]

Hard to say, frankly the GOP at this point is full of psychos so even if they struck some sort of deal there's no guarantee it wouldn't be sabotaged internally, by the Trump administration or otherwise. 

Meanwhile the Trump administration likely wasn't reducing air traffic enough for people to be safe. Yes they cancelled lots and lots of flights, but I doubt it was enough. 

My stepfather was an air traffic controller. He would never say anything to us because his job stressed him out too much to talk to anyone after work. So I don't know how we haven't had a major plane crash when they haven't been paid in several weeks. 

Even so, Chuck Shumer failed to get his party in line enough for it to matter, I think I would still prefer them to fight but it is what it is. Very difficult calculus though when you think about possible plane crashes...

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[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Talinn said:

 

My stepfather was an air traffic controller. He would never say anything to us because his job stressed him out too much to talk to anyone after work. So I don't know how we haven't had a major plane crash when they haven't been paid in several weeks. 
 

 

I don't know how either.  This is a joke. Trump continues to bully people.  The gold news is he can't serve again.  

[Staples]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

The gold news is he can't serve again.  

 

[Inliytened1]

The tarrifs destroyed Trump. Whether they work 10 years from now mean nothing. Americans needed immediate relief from the disaster of Biden.  Which was a disaster.  But this is worse because it has compounded on the disaster plus the guy is just an asshole.  MAGA is a joke.  MASA (Make America Starve Again) should be the acronym. 

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[Apparition of Jack]

Looking at the reactions a bit more, I still think it’s the right time to get rid of the aging establishment Dems and turn the party into a genuine, economically-progressive movement again.

Whether this specific instance was the right move for the Dems or not I can’t quite say, but the fact that the Dems felt comfortable enough letting America getting into such a shitshow that people’s fucking HEALTHCARE payments are now going to be cut is proof enough that they’ve long since gone past their use-by date and we need some actual pro-worker energy in the country. 
 

Schumer and the rest need to go. They just don’t have the sauce to provide a meaningful resistance to Republican insanity as well as to provide an actual positive, humane vision for the future that isn’t just “desperately try and keep the current system afloat.”

We deserve better.

Edited 6 hours ago by Apparition of Jack

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Looking at the reactions a bit more, I still think it’s the right time to get rid of the aging establishment Dems and turn the party into a genuine, economically-progressive movement again.

Whether this specific instance was the right move for the Dems or not I can’t quite say, but the fact that the Dems felt comfortable enough letting America getting into such a shitshow that people’s fucking HEALTHCARE payments are now going to be cut is proof enough that they’ve long since gone past their use-by date and we need some actual pro-worker energy in the country. 
 

Schumer and the rest need to go. They just don’t have the sauce to provide a meaningful resistance to Republican insanity as well as to provide an actual positive, humane vision for the future(that isn’t just “desperately try and keep the current system afloat.”

 It’s time we bring some new energy into the country.

It's not Schumer he wanted to hold out.  They should have held out. Had they held out it would have been on Turnp.  Dems cave once again.

[Raze]

 

Schumer is the leader, the purpose is to keep his house in order.

If they are going rogue it’s because he tacitly gave them the go ahead by not threatening to bring the hammer down on them if they break ranks.

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[Raze]

On mainstream democrat voter forums they are going apeshit.

2028 is the pivotal moment for a potential Trump style take over of the democrat party. 

Progressives fucked up by not developing a proper mantel bearer who can run. Bernie is too old and AOC isn’t that ambitious and has too much identity politics baggage.

The rogue third party left types could stage an insurgency, the issue is the popular ones went all in on alienating democrats giving them no significant base in the party, and criticizing Ukraine which democrats borderline worship at this point.

Democrat establishment is already trying to cultivate Newsom to counter this.

[Hardkill]

This is another reason why Democratic leadership desperately needs to change.

There are still too many Democrats who have no spine.

[BlueOak]

Dems: Weak party, weaker leadership.
Republicans: Insane Fascists.

 

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