Wu-wei

[TruthFreedom]

I realised my problem.

I was trying too hard. At everything. The real trick is to "not try", and just let things happen naturally. Instead of forcing meditation, for example, with some special technique, one should just allow things to take their course without any effort.

Just thought I'd share, so that someone may be helped by this insight.

[Hojo]

Yes like a dream

 Have you ever been confused on what to do in a dream? No you just do what you want or you do whatever it is you are doing.

The problem is you think you have a problem.

Edited yesterday at 10:12 PM by Hojo

[TruthFreedom]

@Hojo Thankyou for the analogy.

Yes, in a dream you just go with the flow. No exertion necessary.

 

Edited yesterday at 10:30 PM by TruthFreedom

[Leo Gura]

56 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Instead of forcing meditation, for example, with some special technique

That is literally how meditation must be done. Forced.

It won't happen otherwise. The mind is too lazy and too sneaky for such things to happen "naturally".

Edited yesterday at 10:33 PM by Leo Gura

[TheSelf]

1 hour ago, TruthFreedom said:

I was trying too hard. At everything. The real trick is to "not try", and just let things happen naturally.

Yes

True meditation is cease all doings at all levels.

'Trying' can only be done by using the mind, you wanna drop the mind to realize your meditative natural state.

Hard try or having attitude of forcing things in a meditation practice wont get you anywhere.

Actually the best thing you can do in the beginning of your practice is actually reminding yourself how powerless you are to control your mind, practice knowing non of your expectations will be fullfiled in your meditation... So drop them all! 

Then you'll realize true power lies in surrender.

You control by surrendering your power to control.

 

[Ishanga]

Wu wei is actually a concept used in Chinese Martial Art, I've been studying Kung Fu since 1988.. In simple terms it means Being Natural, the problem is in the context of Martial Art is that you need to learn something, You cannot do nothing and then think You have Skill Development in Fighting or Defending Yourself, some basics have to be learned and mastered.  The process of learning and mastery is doing things over and over again, now unless You Love it (which I did) then it comes really easy, if You don't Love doing it then You have to force Yourself to do it..

Its the same thing here, you have to find a Sadhana (Spiritual Practice) that is effective and is something You want to do and look forward to it.  In the beginning for sure You may have to force Yourself to do it, over time it should get easier and results should be showing..  A key thing, which is sort of a paradox, is too not really expect change or look for it, just do the practice with dedication and a spirit of giving, not receiving..  I think the problem most ppl have is 1st they have expectations built up (this is living in the future, bad idea) which says "I should be this way by this amount of time..:, 2nd is the discipline part, you have to be disciplined and consistent with Your practice, same time same place each day, if Your not then it won't do anything for You really..

Effort is always needed to make change and transformation, don't kid yourself, but over doing it by extreme forcefulness is not good either, Balance is the Key!!!

Edited yesterday at 10:54 PM by Ishanga

[Hojo]

When you fix mental problems in this dream it will go and transfer to your unconcious. Ie scared irl will make you scared and react when you dream. Sad irl you will be sad in dream. Annihilate all and you will dream and say im dreaming. Then wake up and say im dreaming. The Problems dissolve and you see you never really existed you were multiple povs of the same dreamer.

If you meditate alot irl you will meditate in dream.

Edited yesterday at 11:05 PM by Hojo

[Davino]

Meditation is the dance between concentration and relaxation; effort and release; contraction and expansion.

For concentrating I do hardcore Vipassana and then I relax with just sitting. 

It's always better to stay with the effort side and then enter more into the effortless presence of mind.

The real trick I've discovered for meditation is reducing to zero the micro-distractions. A cup of water with one hole, loses water, only when it's perfectly sealed that magick happens, in the same way for meditation to truly work at the highest level it has to be an unbroken chain of pure presence 

[Lyubov]

Wu Wei is greatly misunderstood by a lot of people I believe. I think it’s because it hasn’t been as spread around like Buddhism has so people don’t have as many notions about it. It’s actually an incredibly deep and life changing concept when you really take in the full teaching. I do consider myself a Taoist student and it is distinctively different than a lot of notions shared here on meditation and “seeking.” The language is hard to translate  as well in the Tao Te Ching and I think a lot of the teaching isn’t as accessible because of this. It reads like a bunch of strange poems if you aren’t attuned to the subtleties and some initial insights of it.
When I really was able to digest this teaching though it blew my mind and showed me a whole other perspective I hadn’t really thought possible, but there it was, clear as day. 

I really think perhaps the key take away when it comes to Taoism and Wu Wei is that “you are the creator of your emotions, not the victim of them.” You have to do a genuine deep enquiry on emotion and where they come from. You think you have to force, but what is force but the perception of having something to push against? It’s an emotion no? You find meditating challenging and need to force it? Ok but what are you pushing against? Is it not a feeling experience within your awareness? Wu Wei is a realization of being the creator of that and living aligned with stillness. This does not mean just sitting on your ass all day and doing nothing. Wu Wei is vibrant freedom and natural, filled with energy and excitement for the unknown. And what may unfold. A path back home towards creation. If you are an artist or creative person I especially recommend looking into Wu Wei. What if you didn’t have to try or do anything but just choose to cease doing everything that keeps you where you are (stuck)? 

Edited 5 hours ago by Lyubov

[Lyubov]

18 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Wu wei is actually a concept used in Chinese Martial Art, I've been studying Kung Fu since 1988.. In simple terms it means Being Natural, the problem is in the context of Martial Art is that you need to learn something, You cannot do nothing and then think You have Skill Development in Fighting or Defending Yourself, some basics have to be learned and mastered.  The process of learning and mastery is doing things over and over again, now unless You Love it (which I did) then it comes really easy, if You don't Love doing it then You have to force Yourself to do it..

Why do you have to force yourself? First what are you forcing or pushing against? Second why do you believe you need to do it in the first place? What is the belief behind having to do something? Wu Wei has another component as well that spreads out to the macro, embracing naturalism and authenticity in all things. Wu Wei would invite you to examine why you do something you claim you don’t wish to create love for. Ok that’s fine no judgement against that, but why? Take this insight of Wu Wei and spread it out even further. Just sharing my thoughts on this. I’m really starting to try and question this idea that effort is needed. I have evidence from my direct experience that not a drop of effort is ever needed in life when aligned with Wu Wei  

[How to be wise]

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is literally how meditation must be done. Forced.

It won't happen otherwise. The mind is too lazy and too sneaky for such things to happen "naturally".

But isn't forcing meditation egoic, because you're not surrendering to reality.

[TruthFreedom]

None of you are practicing wu wei.

Because wu wei is the true way.

Not the poo way.

[Ishanga]

5 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Why do you have to force yourself? First what are you forcing or pushing against? Second why do you believe you need to do it in the first place? What is the belief behind having to do something? Wu Wei has another component as well that spreads out to the macro, embracing naturalism and authenticity in all things. Wu Wei would invite you to examine why you do something you claim you don’t wish to create love for. Ok that’s fine no judgement against that, but why? Take this insight of Wu Wei and spread it out even further. Just sharing my thoughts on this. I’m really starting to try and question this idea that effort is needed. I have evidence from my direct experience that not a drop of effort is ever needed in life when aligned with Wu Wei  

Its not Force, its Intention, when You set an Intention, then things happen more naturally, but in the beginning of starting anything new, You have to apply alot of Intention and a bit of force, just too get You over the top of the hill per say...

In Martial Art, after a Skill is Mastered, then Wu Wei applies, You drop the Skill set, you don't focus on it at all, and then You randomise your training and especially Your Application, using it in sparring or fighting.  Bruce Lee said "You want to be Unnaturally Natural, or Naturally Unnatural" when You fight, he said if Your too unnatural, you will be robotic, if Your Too Natural, Your too wild and inefficient, to scattered!  

So it is like this in Spirituality.. First something comes up, life is not fulfilling, something inside You wants to be MORE, then intentions and seeking happens, You go online and search things, something pops up that catches Your Eye (Actualized.org), and Your research, then test somethings out and repeat, this is a "force Process" but it gets less forceful as time goes on, and You become Free and Natural...

That's my take on it..