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[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, How to be wise said:

I wonder if that is the reason why he has the biggest lay count of all the dating coaches, because women are attracted to low character?

High chance he is lying about his lay count.

I would never trust anything he says because he has zero qualms about lying.

You should not trust any PUA, especially one with his reputation.

Remember, PUA's treat their male clients exactly the same way they treat women. A woman is just a pussy and a male client is just a wallet.

Edited 4 hours ago by Leo Gura

[nerdspeak]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

High chance he is lying about his lay count.

Agree he would lie, and probably does, but 1,000 lay count or whatever is not that impressive in itself if you’re a professional PUA and have moderate standards. If you’re moderately handsome and okay sleeping with average girls, and your entire job is chasing women, 4-5 pulls a week is doable especially in developing countries (and he was going to such places) with only moderate effort. 

I’m not a professional (although I probably could be) and I routinely pulled 3 times per week in Ukraine and Romania in addition to my full-time remote job lol while not taking it very seriously and blowing off good leads because I was tired or not motivated. 

In Kyiv there was a black British guy who routinely pulled 3 times in a day. But he was a genetic freak, combination of extremely high sex drive and extremely high self-confidence. Has been interviewed by social scientists because he’s such an outlier. 

Point is it’s possible if it’s all you do, especially if you add Tinder to cold approach, and if you have VAs run your multiple Tinder account(s), which is common among guys like JMULV. The only thing unusual would be not getting bored or burnt out before reaching such numbers. 

Edited 1 hour ago by nerdspeak

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

but 1,000 lay count or whatever is not that impressive

That is an insane lay count.

Most coaches do not have such counts. Your ideas are way out of line, skewed by your own absurd successes. This is not remotely normal or typical, even for pros.

[nerdspeak]

42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is an insane lay count.

Most coaches do not have such counts. Your ideas are way out of line, skewed by your own absurd successes. This is not remotely normal or typical, even for pros.

The best guys in the world ime are not pros, they’re these weird semi-retired rich guys drifting through Eastern Europe and South America. Within these circles my results (I don’t claim 1000 like Jmulv, I don’t count but it’s in line with what I described above) are average at best.

Tbh I think any able-bodied person can do similar numbers given the time, dedication, repetition, and willingness to realistically adjust standards and maximize their value. But having the time to put in the reps required is rare. Not a lot of people have the time or inclination to learn basic Russian and spend 10 hours a day doing approaches on Khreshatyk and in Ukrainian nightclubs, which is what’s required to achieve those stats. 

[Lyubov]

99.9% of guys in PUA including coaches don't have close to even 100 with women of a nice appearance (they are on the right end of the bellcurve if they even have 25-50+). That is extrovert local celebrity numbers, athletes, guys who own a nightclub, etc. Not PUA and def not the majority of scamming coaches. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Lyubov

[nerdspeak]

Just now, Lyubov said:

99.9% of guys in PUA including coaches don't have close to even 100

That’s totally bizarre. I don’t want to say pathetic because none of this actually matters really. But if you scale volume enough you should be able to do 4-5 pulls a month at least in a developing country, and 1-2 per month in a first-world city, even with a full-time job. 

If you’re not there after 2-3 years of consistent practice then something is wrong.  

[Miguel1]

When I was younger, I used to sometimes pull and close 2-3 times a day here in the west. Most of them were not the hottest type tho.

Looking back, the level of corruption and unconsciousness required to do that was awful.

[Lyubov]

12 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

That’s totally bizarre. I don’t want to say pathetic because none of this actually matters really. But if you scale volume enough you should be able to do 4-5 pulls a month at least in a developing country, and 1-2 per month in a first-world city, even with a full-time job. 

If you’re not there after 2-3 years of consistent practice then something is wrong.  

Dude it is not... you honestly sound a bit delusional. I've was in the field a long time and I've spent a ton of time around guys associated with pick up who were "top of their game" and after with tons of guys who don't even participate in this corny cope of a pastime and don't even know what pick up is but are normal socially acclimated guys who pull on their own without talking to guys on the internet... many guys I met including millionaires, business owners , etc. Been out with all of them. Most guys including coaches are lucky to pull at most a couple times a month and the lifestyle ends up catching up to them. No normie is going to have 4-5 beautiful women interested in sleeping in him per month. You should consider yourself S-tier if you always have a beautiful friend with benefits or ex girlfriend to call up, nut no you aint pulling 5 baddies a month as a normie. You have drank the PUA coolaid. And even if you do pull someone beautiful you're going to maximize your time with that person since this is how life funnels you into putting effort and energy into what you have invested in. The only guys who are basically fucking beautiful women like they have them on tap are guys who are exceptionally rich, handsom eand extroverted. You know that porn guy Jason Luv? A guy like that. Even if you're a normie and a cool guy and got a decent lifestyle you wont come close to 10% of what he gets. I would say a realistic and achievable goal for a normie with a decent career is to always have access to a beuatiful woman for sex and not have to face a dryspell. 

Edited 55 minutes ago by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Tbh I think any able-bodied person can do similar numbers given the time, dedication, repetition, and willingness to realistically adjust standards and maximize their value.

No. Your views are wildly optimistic.

[Lyubov]

The normie who pulls the most is that guy who is in decent physical shape (looks good with his shirt off), extroverted, has something going on in his life and is just chill and sweet and goes to tons of raves or parties and has a sorta extrovert surfer lifestyle. Pussy whisperer.  Those guys get laid, and it's really they just ride one wave (one beautiful woman at a time) and always are able to call their ex up or have some situation ship they bounce from one to the other every 3-6 months, and the girl they will be banging will be HOT. There aren't a bunch of former incels running around pounding 4-5 hot women a week, it doesn't exist. This is an old as hell fantasy sold to you by RSD for 2010. Doesn't exist for most guys doing well with women because it energetically isn't sustainable. The only guys who have like women lining up to fuck are celebrities or like local celebrities, really really exceptionally rare guys and it's not game getting them laid. 

Edited 50 minutes ago by Lyubov

[nerdspeak]

7 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

When I was younger, I used to sometimes pull and close 2-3 times a day here in the west. Most of them were not the hottest type tho.

Looking back, the level of corruption and unconsciousness required to do that was awful.

Yeah and that was in the West. Now imagine being a well-off Westerner in Ukraine, Russia, or Brazil. There are guys who got into PUA in the peak RSD years,  retired in their 30s and dedicate themselves only to this for 10-15 years and never evolve past it. It’s the main focus in their lives. 

Pathetic? Yes. Fun for a few years? Yes, although I’m glad I got out of it and didn’t become one of them. 

[nerdspeak]

2 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

The normie who pulls the most is that guy who is in decent physical shape (looks good with his shirt off), extroverted, has something going on in his life and is just chill and sweet and goes to tons of raves or parties and has a sorta extrovert surfer lifestyle. Pussy whisperer.  Those guys get laid, and it's really they just ride one wave (one beautiful woman at a time) and always are able to call their ex up or have some situation ship they bounce from one to the other every 3-6 months, and the girl they will be banging will be HOT. There aren't a bunch of former incels running around pounding 4-5 hot women a week, it doesn't exist. This is an old as hell fantasy sold to you by RSD for 2010. Doesn't exist for most guys doing well with women because it energetically isn't sustainable. The only guys who have like women lining up to fuck are celebrities or like local celebrities, really really exceptionally rare guys and it's not game getting them laid. 

Except in literally did it and know 10 people still doing it. They’re top 10% intelligence / aggression / sex drive people from the richest countries in the world who organized their entire lives around doing only this. It’s possible, although Leo’s pushback has made me question that perhaps not anyone can do it — in part because there’s a strong resistance to accepting it’s possible. 

[Leo Gura]

If you're in top 10% on looks, you can get a lot of average girls off online. That'a how many PUAs get their lay counts up.

Most highly successful PUAs have great looks and are exceptionally extroverted.

Edited 45 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

6 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

Except in literally did it and know 10 people still doing it. They’re top 10% intelligence / aggression / sex drive people from the richest countries in the world who organized their entire lives around doing only this. It’s possible, although Leo’s pushback has made me question that perhaps not anyone can do it — in part because there’s a strong resistance to accepting it’s possible. 

I mean you are basically talking about a sex addict? And I have met 1-2 guys like that in eastern Europe who had some cash and were able to build their life around PUA and no they did not regularly pull beautiful women. Most beautiful quality women can instantly smell out weirdos or anything defective about a person. These guys pulled but many of their pulls were of questionable standards. Rapey men. They were dipping into MILFS, alternative looking girls, drug users, talking to underage girls, etc. You have to realize that reality does not reward that belief system. You do not get quality sex and quality partners by having a shitty belief system. Your post is misleading. Any quality guy would pass on most of the women those guys pull. 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Lyubov

[nerdspeak]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you're in top 10% on looks, you can get a lot of average girls off online. That'a how many PUAs get their lay counts up.

Most highly successful PUAs have great looks.

Yeah and if you relocate to Ukraine or South America, top 30% in looks will get you the same bump top 10% gets you in the West. But you can get a lot of numbers from cold approach too.

 

11 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I mean you are basically talking about a sex addict? And I have met 1-2 guys like that in eastern Europe who had some cash and were able to build their life around PUA and no they did not regularly pull beautiful women. Most beautiful quality women can instantly smell out weirdos or anything defective about a person. These guys pulled but many of their pulls were of questionable standards. Rapey men. They were dipping into MILFS, alternative looking girls, drug users, talking to underage girls, etc. You have to realize that reality does not reward that belief system. You do not get quality sex and quality partners by having a shitty belief system. Your post is misleading. Any quality guy would pass on most of the women those guys pull. 

You’re shifting the goalposts. We were talking about feasibility of the numbers jmulv claims and the numbers I reported (to contextualize that jmulv’s claims of 1000 lays are not that outlandish). Not whether all of the girls were super hot or had the best morals. You and Leo claimed those numbers were outlandish even with average girls, I’m saying they’re not if you’re extremely dedicated with lots of free time and stack the odds in your favor. 

Of course it’s weird behavior to move to a 3rd world country and game 10 hours per day. I’m pretty weird and got bored with it after a year. But imagine the results you could get optimizing the process for 10 years, which is what many of these guys do. While having a few million dollars to get 1:1 coaching and a nice apartment with perfect logistics. There are other tactics too but I don’t want to dox people.  

We all agree Jmulv is a creep. My point is, you can get the numbers he claims if you are determined to do it, it’s not impossible. Nor do you have to be exceptionally good-looking, you just have to build a high-volume repeatable funnel. 

Edited 28 minutes ago by nerdspeak

[Lyubov]

10 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

You’re shifting the goalposts. We were talking about feasibility of the numbers jmulv claims and the numbers I reported (to contextualize that jmulv’s claims of 1000 lays are not that outlandish). Of course it’s weird behavior to move to a 3rd world country and game 10 hours per day. I’m pretty weird and got bored with it after a year. But we all agree Jmulv is a creep. My point is, you can get those numbers if you do it, it’s not impossible like some people claim.

Fair enough, but I wanted to bury those numbers. It's like if I bragged about holding the world record for picking up the most trash off the ground and putting it in my mouth. This guy's claimed number needs to be perceived the same way, but his subs probably think he's banging models. It's not a feat nor does the effort deserve respect. It's weird. and you know he did some creepy and shadey shit to supposedly get there if he even had the amount of energy and drive to and one can only imagine the smell. I even read about this guy and literally half his colleagues say he hired a bunch of escorts too and is an alcoholic. In reality, guys actually building a decent lifestyle and getting beautiful women do not pull close to those numbers, not even a percentage. I live in Russia and am married now and dated quite a few women here before, got very well accustomed to beautiful women, I know the numbers here. You do not pull 4-5 beauties consistently a month anywhere as a healthy normie, at least not consistently. It's unsustainable. 

Edited 25 minutes ago by Lyubov