Enlightenment is much rarer than most expect

[VeganAwake]

For example, I have only come across maybe 2 members on this forum since around 2018 that even remotely reflect a clear, solid recognition if you will.

And even on YouTube, I have only noticed maybe 7 total in the last 6 or 7 years. Even more interesting is that most can seem very convincing for a while, but then fall back into the dream story/matrix rather quickly.

See, its not an achievement or something that can be worked towards with spiritual practices. 

In fact, just the very knowledge of there being an achievable goal in the future called Enlightenment, seems to be the biggest spiritual/religious trap of all time. The very act of pursuing it only reinforces the illusory experience of being a separate individual that can one day become whole and completely satisfied! But self illusions for some apparent reason, never become satisfied. They endlessly seek and long for something better in the future. 

Self illusion = Unsatisfactory experience.

Either the self illusion ends or it doesn't. Nothing can be done. Its completely hopeless in that sense.

Ultimately it doesn't matter at all.

Why? because the individual labeling things with a scale of importance,..........Isn't Real!

❤️ 

[Someone here]

How can only very few individuals you know of are actually enlightened when enlightenment is there is no individuals or enlightenment? 

[Mellowmarsh]

Enlightenment can mean different things to different minds.

I think of enlightenment as being the state you were in when lying in your mothers womb.

 

But soon after birth you formed an identity to your name and that’s when enlightenment turned into the separate self of ego.

To recognise enlightenment is to think backwards to the state before you were identified with your name, enlightenment is indestructible, it’s you, even as you are identified with ego self, it’s still you. 
 

Nothing then ever achieved enlightenment. It’s all nothing appearing as everything.

[Malkom]

All this musing about enlightenment speaks to society's nervousness; it's again an exercise in avoidance, not enlightenment. Pay attention to this, activate your awareness. You need to clear your mind of "information trash."

[Ramasta9]

Its really all about surrender and awareness. That when we are "resisting" or (in the head), we are always seeking "that", and yet when we surrender and truly relax and rest into our being, and return to Presence or Awareness, we realize we never left, and that which we were "seeking" is that which we already are, but we were too busy (in activity) of the mind, we miss it every single time, until we master the art of surrender and relaxation. Enlightenment is thus then the Grounding or Stabilization of the Awakening.

It is the Surrendering and Resting in Being.

When in mind, we seek enlightenment.

When the mind surrenders and rests, there we are

Peace 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:32 AM by Ramasta9

[Mellowmarsh]

20 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

It is the Surrendering and Resting in Being.

When in mind, we seek enlightenment.

When the mind surrenders and rests, there we are

Perfect! 🙂

[Salvijus]

Nice attempt to give yourself validation that you're enlightened. 👍

Very smooth 

Edited 21 hours ago by Salvijus

[VeganAwake]

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

How can only very few individuals you know of are actually enlightened when enlightenment is there is no individuals or enlightenment? 

The word individuals was used for communication purpose.....

Otherwise it would be:

Emptiness recognized that emptiness hasn't recognized that its actually emptiness appearing as a real separate individual. And it's surprising to emptiness that emptiness doesn't recognize the emptiness more commonly!

❤️ 

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

The word individuals was used for communication purpose.....

Otherwise it would be:

Emptiness recognized that emptiness hasn't recognized that its actually emptiness appearing as a real separate individual. And it's surprising to emptiness that emptiness doesn't recognize the emptiness more commonly!

❤️ 

Then where is the proplem?!

[Hojo]

Thinking you know someone is enlightened is cringe af. You know of like .00000001 of the population. You know no one.

You probably dont even know your neighbour.

Edited 16 hours ago by Hojo

[James123]

11 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

For example, I have only come across maybe 2 members on this forum since around 2018 that even remotely reflect a clear, solid recognition if you will.

And even on YouTube, I have only noticed maybe 7 total in the last 6 or 7 years. Even more interesting is that most can seem very convincing for a while, but then fall back into the dream story/matrix rather quickly.

See, its not an achievement or something that can be worked towards with spiritual practices. 

In fact, just the very knowledge of there being an achievable goal in the future called Enlightenment, seems to be the biggest spiritual/religious trap of all time. The very act of pursuing it only reinforces the illusory experience of being a separate individual that can one day become whole and completely satisfied! But self illusions for some apparent reason, never become satisfied. They endlessly seek and long for something better in the future. 

Self illusion = Unsatisfactory experience.

Either the self illusion ends or it doesn't. Nothing can be done. Its completely hopeless in that sense.

Ultimately it doesn't matter at all.

Why? because the individual labeling things with a scale of importance,..........Isn't Real!

❤️ 

The individual is already label. 

If you say, isn't real, that's mean is, something is real. But, what is the word of "real"? Who knows what is real or not?

Real, unreal, illusion or not illusion arises and falls within. 

This is non dual bs. 

[Carl-Richard]

Being dead while alive is rare.

[Breakingthewall]

This guy seems enlightened 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN8GLJjDBtX/?igsh=b3U0ZzV0bTlsdzdw

Connected with the source 

Edited 11 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Being dead while alive is rare.

Being enlightened in not being dead, is being one with life.

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

and that which we were "seeking" is that which we already are, but we were too busy (

No man, we are closed due to the energetic blockage of a thousand generations: competition, struggle, classes, war, oppression, slavery, alienation from the source, from essence, from reality.

The energetic barriers that oppress us are more than educational inheritance; they are imprinted in our cells, in our vibration, from the moment we are born surrounded by the vibration of fear, separation, avoidance, narcissism, and madness.

Opening to reality is not a trivial movement; it is a conquest. It's much more than it seems. You have to break yourself and born again, change the tendency of thousands of generations, change your linage and your genetic by your will. Sounds impossible, but it isn't.

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Being enlightened in not being dead, is being one with life.

You have a thing for being rigid with frames when it absolutely doesn't matter.

[Hojo]

@Breakingthewall life is dead. Look at the flower theres nothing there.

[Ramasta9]

Maybe you’re just afraid to truly live and see

It’s easy to get caught "up there" and say, "This is it." (Ahh, it feels safe up here... emotional armor against being human.)

But remember: you’re Human, and you’re on this beautiful Earth.

The non-dualist says, "The flower is an illusion."
Meanwhile, the child sees the flower, smells it, touches it, totally one with it.

The child is immersed in the richness of life, while the non-dualist mindset, by contrast, can feel cold, emotionless, like a graveyard.

Maybe the concept is true. But that’s not what Life is about.

One of my favorite quotes says:
"Wisdom says I am nothing, Love says I am everything, and between the two, Life flows."

Life is a Trinity - Lose one, and the circle breaks. Hold all three, and you’re truly awake.

 

[cetus]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

It’s easy to get caught "up there" and say, "This is it." (Ahh, it feels safe up here... emotional armor against being human.)

I think you're on to something there. A non-dualist mindset as a coping mechanism for the ego vs. the world. I could see that. Would be a great excuse for sitting on your ass all day too.

Edited 9 hours ago by cetus

[Salvijus]

11 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The word individuals was used for communication purpose.....

Otherwise it would be:

Emptiness recognized that emptiness hasn't recognized that its actually emptiness appearing as a real separate individual. And it's surprising to emptiness that emptiness doesn't recognize the emptiness more commonly!

❤️ 

Emptyness is impersonal, has no expectations and therefor cannot be surprised. It was your ego trying to flex itself with the so called "enlightenment"  by creating this theatrical surprise.

Edited 7 hours ago by Salvijus