Proof is Impossible

[SQAAD]

Let's say that you pretend being a hard nosed scientist. You want "proof" for everything. 

Then as you sit to eat your dinner, you accept as facts all sorts of feelings, thoughts and images in your head.

That you really did went to university and didn't just fabricate that. That you really just returned from work and not just invented that.

You hold that as a true and valid memory and not as a false one.

Where is your evidence for that? There is none and it can't ever be one.

You might go and check and see your diploma that you got from University. You say "here is the proof".

Then 10 minutes you go to the bathroom to take a sh!t. And you ask yourself how you really know you went to University. You reply "i remember it".

So you hold your memory as true. 

When Leo is sharing insights in his videos he believes he really did read those books and really did have those experiences that he talks about .

If i ask you to check if an alien is sitting under your bed. You check and see no alien there.

Then 10 minutes later you ask yourself "how do i know that there is no alien under the bed?"

How do you know that your memories are true?

Again you have to rely on your memories as true and not mere fabrications.

There is no escaping this. Either you question forever and lose your mind completely or you accept your memories, feelings and thoughts as valid.

1. Even the most “rational” or “scientific” person ultimately relies on memory and subjective experience.

2. When we claim to “know” something — like having gone to university — our only evidence is that we remember it.

3. But memory itself is not independently verifiable — it’s an internal experience.

4. Therefore, our most fundamental “knowledge” rests on faith in the reliability of consciousness and memory.

5. If we try to demand proof for everything (including our memories), we end up in an infinite regress — questioning everything until sanity breaks down.

🧩 The core insight:

There is no ultimate, external proof for our direct experiences and memories.

At the deepest level, all knowledge depends on subjective trust — trust in perception, trust in memory, trust in reasoning.

🧭 The philosophical conclusion

From this, we can conclude:

1. Absolute certainty is impossible.

Everything we “know” depends on assumptions that can’t be proven without circularity.

2. Practical certainty is necessary.

To live and act, we accept memories and perceptions as “true enough.”

3. Science and reason are tools, not ultimate truths.

They operate within the framework of trusting our minds and memories.

4. All perspectives — even the scientific one — rest on faith at some foundational level.

When Leo makes a video and talks about one of his God Realizations this is as true and as valid as a normie scientist trusting in his memories that he really did return from work 20 minutes ago. *Lol*

 

Edited 16 hours ago by SQAAD

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, SQAAD said:

1. Absolute certainty is impossible.

You were doing great up until this point, when you fell flat on your face.

Absolute certainty of God/Consciousness/Truth/Existence/Love/Infinity is possible. That's what Awakening is.

Awakening destroys skepticism. It turns out that skepticism was a self-deception.

Your certainty that there is no certainty is an epistemic error.

Ta-daaaa!

You are God. This is absolutely certain and true.

Edited 18 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

Have you proof of a concept of a memory somewhere

[Malkom]

Healthy skepticism is a useful function. And yet, when you delve deeper, you discover that skepticism, while useful, is still a parasite on the mind. Those who understand, understand.
A healthy ego is one without parasites in your mind, that is, unnecessary beliefs, fears, limitations, and much more. But to make the ego healthy, constant self-improvement is still necessary.

Edited 17 hours ago by Malkom

[Malkom]

A rational approach isn't always right; it's more accurate to say "purely rational," rather than "rational in principle." And here's why. There are two cases in history. The first is about a woman who underwent a lobotomy. She lost her sense of emotion and became very rational, seemingly living her life to the fullest. But here's the twist. She seems to make decisions, and everything seems logical, but she's constantly making mistakes, often miscalculating everything. The funny thing is, it actually looks smart, and it's smart. But something's not quite right.
The second case is about Phineas Gage, whose forehead was smashed in with a crowbar. His rational side began to suffer, and he began acting as if he'd had a little too much to drink, but he appeared sober.
These two cases demonstrate the importance of both rational and emotional-intuitive thinking. They're one and the same.
You won't be able to make decisions and correctly assess a situation if you use a purely rational approach. You can even look at the stories of convinced rationalists and see how wrong they are about so many things, and sometimes it's really funny.

Personally, I once had an unpleasant situation a long time ago. Extremely unpleasant. And then the person answered me at the end, "Not everything can be controlled by the mind." And I said to him, "HOW? HOW? Did you do that????? He outwitted me so much, he made every moment so dangerous, he simply destroyed me.It was beautiful, albeit unpleasant.  So yes, not everything can be controlled by the mind."

Edited 17 hours ago by Malkom

[SQAAD]

@Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You were doing great up until this point, when you fell flat on your face.

Absolute certainty of God/Consciousness/Truth/Existence/Love/Infinity is possible. That's what Awakening is.

Awakening destroys skepticism. It turns out that skepticism was a self-deception.

Your certainty that there is no certainty is an epistemic error.

Ta-daaaa!

You are God. This is absolutely certain and true.

Interesting. I agree. But when in a normal state of Consciousness, it seems like the limited ego mind can always spray doubt and skepticism into everything. This is a challenge that i don't know how it gets resolved...

Edited 16 hours ago by SQAAD

[Malkom]

Science doesn't operate on faith. I say this as someone who studies science. Science operates on experience (not quite facts yet), if we're talking about physics, and physics doesn't answer the question "Why?" it only provides explanations and descriptions. Science doesn't say this is the truth and we rely on it—it says, "Experience shows," and then the explanation begins.
If science operated on faith, none of us would use a computer, for example.
Furthermore, there's one curious point, again in physics, well, because I study it, and that's why I'm using it as an example. While it's possible to derive, for example, Newton's theory from the postulates and "apparatus" of the theory of relativity (not the laws, they're not the same thing), it's NOT possible to derive the theory of relativity from Newtonian physics. It can literally be GUESSED, and then, naturally, tested experimentally, preferably repeatedly, and only then does it become reliable and usable.

In general, when it comes to deep science, like quantum mechanics, yes, you really do need to guess first; this happens often; the scientist's intuition is key. And yes, there's no absolute certainty in science, only certainty within the framework of the application. If something truly extraordinary is suddenly discovered in nature, then it's an immediate yes, it will be truly remarkable; science isn't dogma. But such things require extraordinary evidence.

Edited 16 hours ago by Malkom

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, SQAAD said:

If we try to demand proof for everything (including our memories), we end up in an infinite regress

The only absolute certainty is the immediacy of the present moment. So no such thing as infinite regress. 

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

@Leo Gura

Interesting. I agree. But when in a normal state of Consciousness, it seems like the limited ego mind can always spray doubt and skepticism into everything. This is a challenge that i don't know how it gets resolved...

Yes. The normal conceptual mind is always prone to self-deception.

The only solution to self-deception is consciousness of God.

[Malkom]

1 hour ago, SQAAD said:

@Leo Gura

Interesting. I agree. But when in a normal state of Consciousness, it seems like the limited ego mind can always spray doubt and skepticism into everything. This is a challenge that i don't know how it gets resolved...

Your conceptual ego-mind should serve "God" and not the other way around. Your conceptual ego-mind drains your soul energy, for example, when you pretend or deceive yourself. Trust your feelings sometimes. If you can't understand what feelings are—they're an abstract concept for you, seemingly non-existent—then try to recognize where they are in your body when you experience a particular emotion, or when a thought, negative for example, occurs. Your feelings, your soul—they are God. So, everything is God, but don't get hung up on these ideas to begin with.

[cetus]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The normal conceptual mind is always prone to self-deception.

Plus, it just can't handle that much Truth. It's too vast, too awesome, too infinite, too everything. Like a child who is afraid to grow up.

Edited 4 hours ago by cetus

[UnbornTao]

The proof is in the pudding.

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When you're able to doubt anything and everything, can you doubt the act of doubting?

Edited 13 hours ago by UnbornTao

[zurew]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Absolute certainty of God/Consciousness/Truth/Existence/Love/Infinity is possible. That's what Awakening is.

No, awakening doesnt give you that kind of certainty. You are unironically still lost in a cartesian framework, where you search for logical certainty and cant stomach some level of uncertainty.

1) Awakening is compatible with multiple different kind of metaphysical frameworks.

2) You have 0 non-question-begging response to the issue "How does God know, that he isn't self-deceived". 

3) Whats the contradiciton in saying that you are just dreaming God and God-realization?

4) Your whole shit is based on your 'real'-ness tracking faculties, why should anyone think that those are actually tracking anything and how would you know if they arent tracking anything?

5) Even when you make your comparative judgements about levels of consciousness you are already pressuposing a bunch of things that you necessarily take for granted - for example that your comparative judgement is actually tracking something and that your are capable of making accurate comparative judgements.

[zurew]

OP - you dont need that level of certainty.

Recognize the base assumptions and axioms that you  necessarily presuppose and go on from there.

2 hours ago, SQAAD said:

Interesting. I agree.

You folded under no pressure my dude. 

Edited 13 hours ago by zurew

[gettoefl]

4 hours ago, SQAAD said:

@Leo Gura

Interesting. I agree. But when in a normal state of Consciousness, it seems like the limited ego mind can always spray doubt and skepticism into everything. This is a challenge that i don't know how it gets resolved...

It's the from trust to truth journey. You already got the first 3 letters correct. Will take lifetimes for most of us. But it only takes a second. Just drop you.

[Ishanga]

Everything I read here, on this forum and everywhere else, is just a story, and philosophy of sort, a concept, until it is my Experience too, so everything You sense from the outside its real, but You don't know if it is Truth, as Truth only lives within You.

All You can do is Expand Yourself endlessly too include everything as You, then it is not longer a story to hear, because it is not coming from the sense of hearing it, or reading/watching with the eyes or feeling it with a touch, rather its an Experiential Inclusion via a sense that is not one of the 5 normal senses...

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, zurew said:

No, awakening doesnt give you that kind of certainty. You are unironically still lost in a cartesian framework, where you search for logical certainty and cant stomach some level of uncertainty.

1) Awakening is compatible with multiple different kind of metaphysical frameworks.

You have no clue what Awakening is and what I am talking about.

You love to dispute me on this forum at every chance you get, but beware that you are decieving yourself. 

I am genuinely trying to help you Awaken, and you bite the hand that feeds you. Why? It isn't wise. Use me to help yourself rather than arguing with me. Winning arguments will not help you.

I have a crystal clear understanding of this issue. Very few humans you interact with can say that.

Edited 6 hours ago by Leo Gura

[VioleGrace]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Your certainty that there is no certainty is an epistemic error.

How could it be im racking my mind and i can't imagine "HOW ?" lol 

Could you explain a bit so i can grasp the concept ? 

[cetus]

1 hour ago, VioleGrace said:

How could it be im racking my mind and i can't imagine "HOW ?" lol 

Could you explain a bit so i can grasp the concept ? 

From the book: 'Know Yourself'.

When the secret is revealed to you, you will know that you are not other than God, but that you yourself are the object of your quest.

-No If's, And's, or But's about it.

Edited 4 hours ago by cetus

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, SQAAD said:

Therefore, our most fundamental “knowledge” rests on faith in the reliability of consciousness and memory.

What you call knowledge is an energetic movement occurring, a form you are taking. The difference between whether it occurred or not is simply a ripple, a vibration of reality; it means nothing. It's just the limitless flowing upon itself; meanings are forms of that flow. Before or now, they merge; time is a form of the flow, like a ripple in water.

The only thing you can know is that you are, and realizing that you will realize that that being has no limits. It encompasses all possible dimensions and times; just remove all the barriers the mind creates, and the living substance of the limitless manifests.

That's all, there is nothing else, and yet, it is everything. In this moment, the creative vitality of infinite universes shines perfectly, unfathomable. You are that. It's absolutely obvious, and it's absolutely impossible for it to be any other way. There is no meaning, just being. And in being is the perfect joy that's shines and the open heart that bleeds the creative power of the unlimited.

Just you. Can't be more obvious, what is shocking is how the reality can close that door and get lost in a closed dimension . It's a perfect energetic architecture that keeps you trapped in a strange, alienating vibration. The complexity of the cosmos is limitless, but in the end, it's all the same: the total living ocean, that's what we are.