This world is a trap

[vibv]

I don't like to tell you this. But this world is a trap.

The more you're addicted to it the more it will have got you.

The only real option is, weird as it sounds, denouncing all pleasures except if something is really needed, stopping all addictions.

Furthermore connect to your real body. The body in this world is only a pain-body and every pleasure just relieves the pain. If you wanna connect to your real body : feel the pain body fully. That way you're not completely in it anymore.

We may be able to leave this place together, but it will be a long stony road. Everybody has to do the work by oneself.

Edited Wednesday at 03:01 PM by vibv

[Princess Arabia]

Keep going. It's starting to hit but not quite. Keep holding unto that you. Can't quite fathom there is no you. Can't quite fathom there is no world. Can't quite fathom there is no 'real body' VS fake body. Can't quite fathom you're the dream itself seeking refuge by telling itself these things. 'Leave this place together?' There's no place to go. 'Long stony road?', continuity, time and space is the dream. 

Sorry to break it to you but nothing can be done because nothing caused that pain body to begin with. It's not really happening, only feels like it. No one feels it, it's feeling 'feeling' itself, so to speak - a sense. 

This world is not a trap, if anything the trap is the dream thinking it's real and it's trying to find a way out of it's own demise; but it can't because the dream isn't really happening. 

This is the tragedy of the so-called human race. There is no one there but damn sure feels like it and there's not a damn thing that can be done about it. That energy will concoct up all kinds of stories like OP's message to try and feel better about things, and it will, but it will not last just like the other previous stories that has no ground to stand on and no reality of it's own and depends on the fictitious person to even exist and neither does.

[tuku747]

A trap laid by who?

[Ishanga]

The World is not a Trap!

The problem is just You!

Imagine Your in a absolutely Dark Unfamiliar Room, and Your walking around hitting and bumping against things, and it begins to hurt.  Is the Room at fault?  No, the problem is You can't see anything because there is no Light!  

Its the same here, the World is not "Doing" anything to You, to think it is, that the pain You feel is coming from the World, or a source outside of You, is victim mentality, and its takes away Your Power, the Power to Respond, You become a total Slave if You believe this way and live life this Way..

Now as a Human Being, You have the total capacity to take control of all of this, of How You Experience the World, this is your basic right, but we are completely conditioned by our societies that this is not possible, that Life is found outside of You, not within You.  This is a total Lie! The whole Point of Spirituality is to realize this Lie and take Your Power Back!

[vibv]

9 hours ago, tuku747 said:

A trap laid by who?

It's a spider's trap. First it makes sure you identify with the fake dream-pain-body, then it lures you in with pleasures. And then it will devour everything—but only after you have given it everything of you yourself by trying to live in some kind of happy-go-lucky fantasy that it is trying to sell you.

@Ishanga The surprise is that nothing is free and you can't just live like nothing matters because that will backfire in ways you couldn't imagine.

The whole world is under the influence of this and it shows by straying away further and further from god.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:49 AM by vibv

[MVPJOURNEY]

@vibv Seems that everything in the bubble of experience is neutral. Only mind seems to think differently.. So in that sense a trap can be felt. If the bubble is one movement though, and mind is included in that movement, who is laying the trap except itself?

Not sure why it would lay its own trap, thoughts?

Edited yesterday at 08:17 AM by MVPJOURNEY

[AerisVahnEphelia]

Correct from a relative perspective, you shall chase the be the least fulfilled possible to be fulfilled.

 

[vibv]

2 hours ago, MVPJOURNEY said:

@vibv Seems that everything in the bubble of experience is neutral. Only mind seems to think differently.. So in that sense a trap can be felt. If the bubble is one movement though, and mind is included in that movement, who is laying the trap except itself?

Not sure why it would lay its own trap, thoughts?

I don't know how we ended up here but it is what I suddenly recognized and everything fell into place, no more contradiction.

I've never felt more alone and scared than in that moment. Nowhere to hide, nowhere to escape. All alone in this twisted diabolical dream by myself.

It's a pretty unique kind of duality. The first half seems completely innocent and all the pleasures are open to you. In the second half it turns completely around and you are the one being devoured now. But it is dependent on what you did in the first half, everything comes around so to speak.

It has happened many many times already and here we are again. It's unclear if or when it will be different, maybe never. That means at least we can live a life pretty much like a saint. Because it always goes deeper. That way it can be OK at least.

Not directed at you personally, but: Beware of your foolishness. Speaking from experience.

My whole life's work and everything I fantasized about goes out the window in one single day. I'd say for the better.

Edited yesterday at 10:50 AM by vibv

[Ramasta9]

18 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Keep going. It's starting to hit but not quite. Keep holding unto that you. Can't quite fathom there is no you. Can't quite fathom there is no world. Can't quite fathom there is no 'real body' VS fake body. Can't quite fathom you're the dream itself seeking refuge by telling itself these things. 'Leave this place together?' There's no place to go. 'Long stony road?', continuity, time and space is the dream. 

Sorry to break it to you but nothing can be done because nothing caused that pain body to begin with. It's not really happening, only feels like it. No one feels it, it's feeling 'feeling' itself, so to speak - a sense. 

This world is not a trap, if anything the trap is the dream thinking it's real and it's trying to find a way out of it's own demise; but it can't because the dream isn't really happening. 

This is the tragedy of the so-called human race. There is no one there but damn sure feels like it and there's not a damn thing that can be done about it. That energy will concoct up all kinds of stories like OP's message to try and feel better about things, and it will, but it will not last just like the other previous stories that has no ground to stand on and no reality of it's own and depends on the fictitious person to even exist and neither does.

I thought OPs message was completely natural and genuine. Your response on the other-hand, could of been a little more alive and helpful.

I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s easy to talk about ‘no self’ and ‘no world’ from the head. For someone in pain, saying ‘it’s not really happening’ isn’t helpful, it just adds alienation. Such responses don't really help anyone, rather it seems more like the ego rebranded itself as no-one/no-thing, in the guise of enlightenment, but a little cold and dead inside, if you ask me. The typical non-dual bypass.

Its very easy to get caught up in the conceptual realm of things, especially the non-duel teachings, but are we actually serving anyone by preaching them? We've all heard it before, and it often doesn't help because its ungrounded, it simply won't land cause you haven't landed back on earth.

The middle way is about integrating your human and being a friend and support to all. 

The paradox is that awakening doesn’t mean escaping the human experience, it means being fully present within it, with tenderness, humility, and love.

The dream may be empty, but it still aches beautifully. Let’s not dismiss the dreamer’s cry as illusion; that cry is the sound of awakening.

Ontologically: correct (there is no separate self, the world is appearance). Existentially: distorted (ignoring the lived reality of experience).

If you really wanna help someone, put your hands, feet and head on the ground first, remember the earth on which you stand.

Otherwise you are a ghost preaching nonsensical whispers.

[vibv]

That also means I'm done with psychedelics for good.

I value those experiences, but I needed to take the plunge someday, else I'd continue to get lost somewhere along the way.

What I will do now is this:

Awareness, Grounding, Breathing consciously, Eating consciously (and not too much), no drugs whatsoever anymore, living human life as conscious of other beings and how my actions affect them as possible.

Remember that everything here is addictive. Even personal projects.

Edited yesterday at 12:44 PM by vibv

[vibv]

@Ramasta9 Thank you for your kind words.

[Ramasta9]

26 minutes ago, vibv said:

@Ramasta9 Thank you for your kind words.

All good, just being real.

[AION]

For one person it is a trap, for another it is an awe inspiring labyrinth, which journey will make you God-like  

Edited yesterday at 01:15 PM by AION

[vibv]

2 hours ago, AION said:

For one person it is a trap, for another it is an awe inspiring labyrinth, which journey will make you God-like  

We'll see but to be God-like also means to realize that everything has consequences. Even when it seems temporarily otherwise.

[tuku747]

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

All good, just being real.

No you're not. I was being real. Nothing real about what's not real. 

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

I thought OPs message was completely natural and genuine. Your response on the other-hand, could of been a little more alive and helpful.

I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s easy to talk about ‘no self’ and ‘no world’ from the head. For someone in pain, saying ‘it’s not really happening’ isn’t helpful, it just adds alienation. Such responses don't really help anyone, rather it seems more like the ego rebranded itself as no-one/no-thing, in the guise of enlightenment, but a little cold and dead inside, if you ask me. The typical non-dual bypass.

Its very easy to get caught up in the conceptual realm of things, especially the non-duel teachings, but are we actually serving anyone by preaching them? We've all heard it before, and it often doesn't help because its ungrounded, it simply won't land cause you haven't landed back on earth.

The middle way is about integrating your human and being a friend and support to all. 

The paradox is that awakening doesn’t mean escaping the human experience, it means being fully present within it, with tenderness, humility, and love.

The dream may be empty, but it still aches beautifully. Let’s not dismiss the dreamer’s cry as illusion; that cry is the sound of awakening.

Ontologically: correct (there is no separate self, the world is appearance). Existentially: distorted (ignoring the lived reality of experience).

If you really wanna help someone, put your hands, feet and head on the ground first, remember the earth on which you stand.

Otherwise you are a ghost preaching nonsensical whispers.

Fine, I respect your view. However, this is mine. Spiritually speaking, I'm not here to help anyone. No one needs help or can be helped in this domain. What you're speaking of is more of the artificial reality, one that doesn't exist. Why are you telling me that if I want to help someone I should so and so. Obviously something must be wrong with your reality and the one you've projected unto the world why you speak of helping someone. No heed for help if all is well. Why try to grab me back down in the crab pot from which you came. I'm already out of that pot. 

What I speak is what's obvious to me even though it's not necessarily clear. When I go to sleep there's nothing there and when I wake up it's back again. Why is that. I die some day, why is that, and i was not there at one time, why is that. Not questions that needs answers. I don't really care about your fake compassion and false truths in trying to make me seem like the enemy here and I'm not trying to sound enlightened either as there's no such thing. The world you speak of is more fake than the one i mentioned here but you're too wrapped up in your own self to see otherwise and thinking you're someone with a life that lives in a world that needs maneuvering by you. If that's not narcissism and neurosis, I don't know what is when you don't even know who you are. Sorry that I didn't help you or anyone else in your eyes by my words, but I'm not nihilistic and don't see a world where anyone needs to be spiritually helped.

To tell you the truth, I resonate more with my way of speaking about this stuff than what you've said. You've also projected your ideas of me unto me and have made a lot of assumptions about what I've said. There is also no such thing as a non-dual teaching and no such thing as non-dual or spiritual bypass. You're the one caught up in the invisible trap and have bought into these conceptual ideas which makes no sense when thoroughly investigated. I will not let you or anyone else tell me how to speak and you can all you want think I'm just talking out my ass and parroting or whatever it is that you think is going on here. I'm more comfortable in this 'world' than your fake one. One where it's quite obvious that I am the common denominator and when I awake in the mornings is when the troubles begin and when I go to bed and asleep they end.

That tells me what the problem is and that there actually isn't any, no traps and nothing to fear or lose but my own sense of self that ism't really there even though it feels like it and there's nothing i can do about it and nothing i can do for others about it either quite the contrary to what you believe when you insinuate helping others. I don't see anyone to help you do, and that's a projection because you see a you that needs helping, but I don't.

Edited 22 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Dodo]

23 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No you're not. I was being real. Nothing real about what's not real. 

One side of the coin says its not real, but all there is to this nonreality is the actual 100% reality of awareness. You are ignoring your actual knowing of this moment and saying everything is an illusion. The knowing of this so called illusion is absolutely real. You are the only one who can see this, not me, not Hermione, you. 

 

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Dodo said:

One side of the coin says its not real, but all there is to this nonreality is the actual 100% reality of awareness. You are ignoring your actual knowing of this moment and saying everything is an illusion. The knowing of this so called illusion is absolutely real. You are the only one who can see this, not me, not Hermione, you. 

 

Can you quote where I've said that everything is an illusion. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE I SAID NO SUCH THING. I said you are. You don't exist. Awareness is the dream and that actual knowing you speak about is also the dream, the dream of knowing, that energy is delusional. Nothing is or can be known. All you speak about is the dream you're all engulfed in and cannot see otherwise because there's actually nothing to see. So the dream is it's own reality and speaks from that place. The crabs are always trying to grab me back down into the pot.

[Hojo]

Am I my own trap?