Direct Consciousness & Psychedelic Drugs

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Whats all this mean..summarize.

“Focusing inward through meditation or creativity connects you to consciousness, which values results over external rules.” -Apple Intelligence

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Talk dirty to me 

[Yimpa]

8 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Talk dirty to me 

After enlightenment:

Do the laundry  machine

[UnbornTao]

Time to contemplate what fantasy is.

[kieranperez]

@UnbornTao there's no point in reasoning this. This is why I gave up on this forum and Actualized years ago.

If it's worth any update. I did 5-MeO just a few months ago and my report remains the same:

Powerful experience. Useful. Valuable. Insightful. I think it can be a powerful tool when used properly with the right understanding for purification, opening up the system, insight, healing, etc. 

But no. That's not it. It's a conditioned experience. Awakening is not causal.

Very grateful I did it and would have no problem doing it again. Pretty remarkable honestly how short it actually was. Might be my favorite psychedelic. Definitely doesn't drain me like LSD or mushrooms and so forth. 

Conditioned experiences don't lead to the unconditioned. People can have powerful experiences under the right set of circumstances while on psychedelics, sure. That seems to have happened. In my view this is more karmic ripeness and just the right set of causes and conditions in the same way certain traumatic experiences can break something open. It's subtle but it's not the thing itself specifically but rather just the particularly karmic set of causes and conditions. 

In the end though, I think people that argue with Leo and users on this forum are honestly just wasting their time. I accept people are just going to do what they're going to do, think what they think, and do what they want. Just accept it. They'll learn or they won't. This is part of reality (actually the thing that was just really clear during the 5-MeO trip). People can delude themselves, be angry, hateful, argue, bicker, blame, be kind, loving, etc. Doesn't negate critiquing bullshit as that's part of it too. In my view though, the arguments against the stuff has been had on this forum. Leo has heard it all so I don't think there's any point in debating. I wish him and these people the best and just let them be. 

[James123]

10 hours ago, kieranperez said:

@UnbornTao there's no point in reasoning this. This is why I gave up on this forum and Actualized years ago.

If it's worth any update. I did 5-MeO just a few months ago and my report remains the same:

Powerful experience. Useful. Valuable. Insightful. I think it can be a powerful tool when used properly with the right understanding for purification, opening up the system, insight, healing, etc. 

But no. That's not it. It's a conditioned experience. Awakening is not causal.

Very grateful I did it and would have no problem doing it again. Pretty remarkable honestly how short it actually was. Might be my favorite psychedelic. Definitely doesn't drain me like LSD or mushrooms and so forth. 

Conditioned experiences don't lead to the unconditioned. People can have powerful experiences under the right set of circumstances while on psychedelics, sure. That seems to have happened. In my view this is more karmic ripeness and just the right set of causes and conditions in the same way certain traumatic experiences can break something open. It's subtle but it's not the thing itself specifically but rather just the particularly karmic set of causes and conditions. 

In the end though, I think people that argue with Leo and users on this forum are honestly just wasting their time. I accept people are just going to do what they're going to do, think what they think, and do what they want. Just accept it. They'll learn or they won't. This is part of reality (actually the thing that was just really clear during the 5-MeO trip). People can delude themselves, be angry, hateful, argue, bicker, blame, be kind, loving, etc. Doesn't negate critiquing bullshit as that's part of it too. In my view though, the arguments against the stuff has been had on this forum. Leo has heard it all so I don't think there's any point in debating. I wish him and these people the best and just let them be. 

Amazing 

[Mellowmarsh]

49 minutes ago, James123 said:

Leo has heard it all so I don't think there's any point in debating. I wish him and these people the best and just let them be. 

That's a good idea kieranperez . Once you realise you don't exist it automatically follows that other you's don't either.

So you let them be, and not even be, as there's no one to be, there's just pure being. Not ascending, not descending, just simply being.

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:36 AM by Mellowmarsh

[Mellowmarsh]

On 22/10/2025 at 8:02 PM, UnbornTao said:

They said it - informed by their "sober" enlightenments. And I've done my fair share of thinking. Not only that, but I've had 5-MeO breakthoughs too. It's an experience.

Yes, informed by their ego who pretends to be enlightened. The Trip dissolves the ego, but just like any trip, the trip comes to an end, the return to the ego. It's a two way return ticket. 😲As above, so below.

 

 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

That's a good idea kieranperez . Once you realise you don't exist it automatically follows that other you's don't either.

So you let them be, and not even be, as there's no one to be, there's just pure being. Not ascending, not descending, just simply being.

 

It is not a realization or experience. Realization and experience belongs to ego.

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, informed by their ego who pretends to be enlightened. The Trip dissolves the ego, but just like any trip, the trip comes to an end, the return to the ego. It's a two way return ticket. 😲As above, so below.

 

 

Enlightenment is when there is no more experiencer or realizer. 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

It is not a realization or experience. Realization and experience belongs to ego.

Enlightenment is when there is no more experiencer or realizer. 

Yes. I agree.

 

[UnbornTao]

14 hours ago, kieranperez said:

@UnbornTao there's no point in reasoning this. This is why I gave up on this forum and Actualized years ago.

If it's worth any update. I did 5-MeO just a few months ago and my report remains the same:

Powerful experience. Useful. Valuable. Insightful. I think it can be a powerful tool when used properly with the right understanding for purification, opening up the system, insight, healing, etc. 

But no. That's not it. It's a conditioned experience. Awakening is not causal.

Very grateful I did it and would have no problem doing it again. Pretty remarkable honestly how short it actually was. Might be my favorite psychedelic. Definitely doesn't drain me like LSD or mushrooms and so forth. 

Conditioned experiences don't lead to the unconditioned. People can have powerful experiences under the right set of circumstances while on psychedelics, sure. That seems to have happened. In my view this is more karmic ripeness and just the right set of causes and conditions in the same way certain traumatic experiences can break something open. It's subtle but it's not the thing itself specifically but rather just the particularly karmic set of causes and conditions. 

In the end though, I think people that argue with Leo and users on this forum are honestly just wasting their time. I accept people are just going to do what they're going to do, think what they think, and do what they want. Just accept it. They'll learn or they won't. This is part of reality (actually the thing that was just really clear during the 5-MeO trip). People can delude themselves, be angry, hateful, argue, bicker, blame, be kind, loving, etc. Doesn't negate critiquing bullshit as that's part of it too. In my view though, the arguments against the stuff has been had on this forum. Leo has heard it all so I don't think there's any point in debating. I wish him and these people the best and just let them be. 

💙

How would you characterize your experience?

I'd describe my 5-MeO breakthroughs as "bliss," perhaps - powerful experiences indeed. This might not do it justice - besides, it's just a single term - but it's somewhat accurate in my estimation.

It's hard for the mind to make sense of such a state, particularly after the chemical wears off. I recognize that I could have interpreted it - any experience, for that matter - in a way that simply confirmed my existing beliefs or desires. It can easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's a nice online social space - for fun, interacting with other minds, learning stuff, sharing or asking for advice, having the occasional thought-provoking discussion, and so on.

Edited Tuesday at 01:27 PM by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, informed by their ego who pretends to be enlightened. The Trip dissolves the ego, but just like any trip, the trip comes to an end, the return to the ego. It's a two way return ticket. 😲As above, so below.

Adi Da knew what he was talking about, for whatever that's worth - at least regarding direct consciousness.

I'd recommend rewatching P3ne_Descomunal77's video, too. @zurew

Edited Tuesday at 01:17 PM by UnbornTao

[Mellowmarsh]

@UnbornTao Okay.

[Inliytened1]

On 11/3/2025 at 5:23 PM, kieranperez said:

@UnbornTao there's no point in reasoning this. This is why I gave up on this forum and Actualized years ago.

If it's worth any update. I did 5-MeO just a few months ago and my report remains the same:

Powerful experience. Useful. Valuable. Insightful. I think it can be a powerful tool when used properly with the right understanding for purification, opening up the system, insight, healing, etc. 

But no. That's not it. It's a conditioned experience. Awakening is not causal.

Very grateful I did it and would have no problem doing it again. Pretty remarkable honestly how short it actually was. Might be my favorite psychedelic. Definitely doesn't drain me like LSD or mushrooms and so forth. 

Conditioned experiences don't lead to the unconditioned. People can have powerful experiences under the right set of circumstances while on psychedelics, sure. That seems to have happened. In my view this is more karmic ripeness and just the right set of causes and conditions in the same way certain traumatic experiences can break something open. It's subtle but it's not the thing itself specifically but rather just the particularly karmic set of causes and conditions. 

In the end though, I think people that argue with Leo and users on this forum are honestly just wasting their time. I accept people are just going to do what they're going to do, think what they think, and do what they want. Just accept it. They'll learn or they won't. This is part of reality (actually the thing that was just really clear during the 5-MeO trip). People can delude themselves, be angry, hateful, argue, bicker, blame, be kind, loving, etc. Doesn't negate critiquing bullshit as that's part of it too. In my view though, the arguments against the stuff has been had on this forum. Leo has heard it all so I don't think there's any point in debating. I wish him and these people the best and just let them be. 

And I've watched you through it all.  Through psychedelics and mediation. Although i have no idea how many hours you've spent on meditation.  Either way It probably wasn't enough.. but life is not all about enlightenment. Maybe start to accept the fact that you may not get enlightened.   Its very genetic  unless you cheat. And if you cheat is it really IT? We both know its not..but anyhow It's like me wanting to be 6"4.  Maybe it isn't in the cards. 

Edited yesterday at 05:06 AM by Inliytened1