It’s like something about reality cannot be talked about

[UnbornTao]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I guess the person by default deals with things in dualistic manner, forming ideas about things, relating to them like objects of desire or not. But to get to the core of something means not doing that, so it’s in conflict with the normal way a human operates, and it’s not always easy to give up that normal mode of operation, that’s why non duality is turned into ideas for folks. Self honesty is important to see this, and it can be useful to start where you are by asking questions as you say

Definitely. Still, I'd watch for the tendency to keep these considerations in the abstract. Asking experiential questions helps counter this tendency.

[Oppositionless]

Break your mind with the divine comedy. 

 

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Definitely. Still, I'd watch for the tendency to keep these considerations in the abstract. Asking experiential questions helps counter this tendency.

I guess you mean asking questions that connect directly to one’s experience 

[UnbornTao]

55 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I guess you mean asking questions that connect directly to one’s experience 

Yes, and coming from your present experience. Beyond intellect. Based on real wondering. 

Edited 21 hours ago by UnbornTao

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Yes, and coming from your present experience. Beyond intellect. Based on real wondering. 

The real wondering is important so you don’t get stuck in a mental idea and defend it at all costs but instead you’re genuinely interested in what’s the truth so you’re ready to reevaluate your ideas when experience doesn’t support them

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

The real wondering is important so you don’t get stuck in a mental idea and defend it at all costs but instead you’re genuinely interested in what’s the truth so you’re ready to reevaluate your ideas when experience doesn’t support them

Precisely. Although, if we're talking about the nature of reality, that might turn out not to be an experience. But that's speculation. 

It does apply to the world we live in.

[Sugarcoat]

43 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Precisely. Although, if we're talking about the nature of reality, that might turn out not to be an experience. But that's speculation. 

It does apply to the world we live in.

Yea exactly I was actually thinking about that too, how we can’t assume what we perceive is the actual nature of reality, which probably many assume (like thinking they see things as they are and not being “filtered “ through the mind). So we can’t assume our experience as an absolute truth

[UnbornTao]

16 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Yea exactly I was actually thinking about that too, how we can’t assume what we perceive is the actual nature of reality, which probably many assume (like thinking they see things as they are and not being “filtered “ through the mind). So we can’t assume our experience as an absolute truth

Right, and I bet it's even trickier to see through that assumption because we are currently "living it." We're inside it, so to speak. We can, and probably should, first approach it intellectually, as a first step - trying to locate it and understand it. Which is what we're doing here.

[Sugarcoat]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Right, and I bet it's even trickier to see through that assumption because we are currently "living it." We're inside it, so to speak. We can, and probably should, first approach it intellectually, as a first step - trying to locate it and understand it. Which is what we're doing here.

Yes it’s wise to use your mind for what you find most important , in this case truth, instead of just being in monkey mind mode all the time.