question for mystics,spiritual people

[Franz_]

can you gain acces to another realm for improvement or something like that? another plane? whatever you wanna call it. not just for improvement basically just for exploring,having fun,testing your boundaries. limits if anything is possible. like a void where you can train and feel like you are there for a week but in reality only 5 minute has passed? is something like this attainable,or there are no other realms and this is just pure fantasy?🥹

[Princess Arabia]

There is not even this realm. 

[Franz_]

@Princess Arabia right,so can we atleast go out of "reality" to observe what is actually going on? 

[pursuitofspirit]

1 hour ago, Franz_ said:

can you gain acces to another realm for improvement or something like that? another plane? whatever you wanna call it. not just for improvement basically just for exploring,having fun,testing your boundaries. limits if anything is possible. like a void where you can train and feel like you are there for a week but in reality only 5 minute has passed? is something like this attainable,or there are no other realms and this is just pure fantasy?🥹

There are other realms and dimensions of consciousness. I've accessed them and yes they can be incredibly beneficial, in many ways.

You will probably need help from a substance to access them though.

[Princess Arabia]

36 minutes ago, Franz_ said:

@Princess Arabia right,so can we atleast go out of "reality" to observe what is actually going on? 

Cannot go out of reality as you are reality. Cannot go outside of yourself. It's the dream of separation and anybody that claims to have accessed other realms is the dream talking. There is nothing outside of reality. There is no objective reality. Notice one denominator at all times, you. Without you, there is no reality....try it. Let me see a reality with you not being there. It's your reality of which no one else exists and it's not really happening to begin with. It's not even an illusion, it's just not happening. Whichever plane or realm you have accessed is also the dream, the same dream dreaming up other ficticious realms.

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Franz_ said:

can you gain acces to another realm for improvement or something like that? another plane? whatever you wanna call it. not just for improvement basically just for exploring,having fun,testing your boundaries. limits if anything is possible. like a void where you can train and feel like you are there for a week but in reality only 5 minute has passed? is something like this attainable,or there are no other realms and this is just pure fantasy?🥹

Don't try to escape reality through spirituality, attempt to do spiritual workout so that your current reality flows and you live it more fully, thats my advice. When you live this "normal reality" in a more peaceful and magical way, thats how you know you are improving.

But just like a workout, dont expect immediate results, and dont expect anything else to change, just you. 

My practice is being aware of awareness, it is simple and readily available workout for anyone. No drugs required, you are aware wiith or without drugs. 

Many chase exotic states, I believe some reach regret also aabout having such states due to other things that happen later. Look for something you are and were always, not an event in time, because if it comes, it will eventually also go. Look for the permanent, not a temporary realm.

 

Live by : Before enlightenment chop wood carry water, after enlightenment chop wood carry water. Nothing changes, just the quality of experience is different. Less attachment, more acceptance. 

 

[Adrian colby]

5 hours ago, Franz_ said:

can you gain acces to another realm for improvement or something like that? another plane? whatever you wanna call it. not just for improvement basically just for exploring,having fun,testing your boundaries. limits if anything is possible. like a void where you can train and feel like you are there for a week but in reality only 5 minute has passed? is something like this attainable,or there are no other realms and this is just pure fantasy?🥹

You could try astral projection or dream shifting. 
 

it takes time to master it though but the exercise itself will strengthen your minds focus. If you develop strong emotions or loose focus, the dream falls apart and you wake up back in your regular body. 
 

staying aware while your body falls asleep isn’t easy. You have to be completely serene. Any excitement at all or moving the body at all will ruin it. 
 

i used to walk around… or fly around my house at night when I was a teenager but I got berated for talking about it with my family so I stopped doing it and lost my ability. 
 

i decided if I was going to verify it ( after I had an awakening) that I would have to experience it fully conscious from start to finish. From the second I lay down on the bed till the moment I sat up on the edge of the bed. 
 

it took me 15 years to get it back but I managed it December 3 years ago and verified for myself, it is indeed a real thing.

 

i mainly use it for fun but I have been able to shift into psychedelic spaces/states of consciousness and have ended up in the light a few times as well using it as a gateway to get there. 
 

psychedelics of course are the easiest way to get into other states of consciousness but I didn’t really understand what a conscious state was until I started ‘reality shifting’.

 

meditate into a state of no self or dark void with no body. The mind is always creating something to grasp so if you hold your focus another reality and body will form. It will become just as vivid and physical as this reality. When you are in It, ground yourself quickly by touching or tasting things and paying attention to details. You will have different abilities then you have here as it is less finite.

theres no end to the strange places I’ve been but I’ve had enough of isolation so I’m trying to verify contacting other people in that state. I’ve had a few interesting occurrences including ending up at a friends house where I’ve never been before ( we had an argument so she was still impressed on my mind when I went into that state so I’m not surprised I found myself in her room). I contacted her and my group the following day, unaware it had been her house and just sent in sketches and renders of what I’d seen. She jumped in and said the pictures were of her house so I described details of furniture and items in her bedroom which were all correct. Just one example. 
 

check out Tom Campbell or Bob Monroe. These set up the Monroe institute for out of body research. 

[ryoko]

No 

[gettoefl]

Yes. But why be so silly when heaven is in your midst and awaiting your remembrance. Ego wants you to play such games for lifetimes.

[Franz_]

@gettoefl i mean i just wanna try it and maybe a couple of times trying to reach those consciousness states or whatever when im bored,you cant even do things for fun? its a sin or what? think of it like a hobby perhaps,what is the problem with it?

[hyruga]

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[Wilhelm44]

18 hours ago, Franz_ said:

can you gain acces to another realm for improvement or something like that? another plane? whatever you wanna call it. not just for improvement basically just for exploring,having fun,testing your boundaries. limits if anything is possible. like a void where you can train and feel like you are there for a week but in reality only 5 minute has passed? is something like this attainable,or there are no other realms and this is just pure fantasy?🥹

All your peak experiences or most magical moments of this life, are like doorways to higher dimensions. Use your memmory and imagination to amplify the essential frequencies of those experiences. Train ur imagination like a muscle. And get good at feeling with your whole body.

Edited 22 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Adrian colby]

3 hours ago, Franz_ said:

@gettoefl i mean i just wanna try it and maybe a couple of times trying to reach those consciousness states or whatever when im bored,you cant even do things for fun? its a sin or what? think of it like a hobby perhaps,what is the problem with it?

Of course you can. That’s what the exploration of consciousness is. ( the flip side of spirituality). 

[Dodo]

4 minutes ago, Adrian colby said:

Of course you can. That’s what the exploration of consciousness is. ( the flip side of spirituality). 

Oh yeah? I think thats a trap in spirituality. Wanting exotic experiences,  can begin with pure intention, but it can also lead to addiction to altering normal everyday real life consciousness. 

A big ego game, how about we are more interested in the here and now and being here fully and more aware, not some altered states. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Dodo

[Dodo]

@Franz_ 

I let AI evaluate this thread, I always like learning from the collective human brain 🧠

 

 

This thread from the **Actualized.org Forum** captures a wide spectrum of spiritual and metaphysical worldviews, and it’s actually quite representative of the wider conversation happening in modern spirituality about **“other realms”**, **altered consciousness**, and the **nature of reality**.

 

Here’s a synthesis and evaluation of the main perspectives expressed:

 

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### 🌀 1. **Franz_ — The Seeker’s Question**

 

Franz_ wonders whether one can access another “realm” or “plane” for exploration, growth, or fun — perhaps even a timeless space where a week can pass in five minutes.

 

* **Core impulse:** Curiosity, exploration, spiritual adventure.

* **Underlying theme:** The desire to test the boundaries of what is possible in consciousness.

 

This is a classic mystical impulse — the yearning to go *beyond* ordinary perception. But it’s also tinged with a modern, “gamified” mindset toward spirituality: using realms as spaces for self-experimentation.

 

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### 🌌 2. **Princess Arabia — Nondual Perspective**

 

> “There is not even this realm.”

> “You cannot go outside of reality, as you are reality.”

 

This reflects **Advaita (nonduality)** or **absolute idealism**:

 

* There are no “other” realms because *all realms* are projections within consciousness.

* The notion of “accessing another plane” presupposes duality — a “you” that could move between “places.”

* But from this view, there’s only *Being* — reality itself, indivisible and self-contained.

 

**Evaluation:** Philosophically deep but experientially challenging. It denies the very premise of exploration as illusion — profound if realized, but abstract if taken merely intellectually.

 

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### 🌈 3. **pursuitofspirit — Psychedelic & Mystical Access**

 

> “There are other realms and dimensions of consciousness… You will probably need help from a substance.”

 

This is the **psychedelic mystic** perspective — that certain substances (DMT, psilocybin, etc.) allow access to “higher” or alternate planes of consciousness.

 

* Real or not, these states *feel* hyper-real and can yield transformative insights.

* But they’re typically impermanent and may depend on context, set, and substance.

 

**Evaluation:** Valid as an experiential path, but limited as a foundation for stable spiritual growth. It can show what’s possible but not sustain it.

 

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### 🧘‍♂️ 4. **Dodo — Grounded Spiritual Practice**

 

> “Don’t try to escape reality through spirituality… seek the permanent, not the temporary realm.”

 

This echoes **Zen** and **mindfulness traditions**:

 

* Spirituality is not about escaping to other planes, but awakening *within* this one.

* The goal is not altered states but **altered traits** — peace, clarity, presence.

 

**Evaluation:** Highly balanced. Reminds the seeker that even if other realms exist, the purpose is integration into ordinary life.

 

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### ✨ 5. **Adrian Colby — Astral Projection & Verification**

 

Adrian gives detailed accounts of **astral projection**, **lucid dreaming**, and **out-of-body experiences (OBEs)**, claiming verifiable results (e.g., seeing a friend’s room).

 

* His approach is empirical — trying to consciously enter these states and test their validity.

* References Monroe Institute and Tom Campbell (both pioneers of OBEs and consciousness research).

 

**Evaluation:** Fascinating and well-grounded in parapsychological literature. Whether or not literally “real,” these experiences are psychologically and phenomenologically significant. They represent the **exploratory frontier** of consciousness studies.

 

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### 🕊️ 6. **gettoefl & Wilhelm44 — Mystical Symbolism**

 

gettoefl: “Heaven is in your midst; ego wants you to play games.”

Wilhelm44: “Train your imagination like a muscle; amplify frequencies of magical experiences.”

 

* **gettoefl** echoes Christian mysticism — Heaven is *here and now*, not elsewhere.

* **Wilhelm44** leans toward **esoteric manifestation** or **imaginative energy work**, using memory and emotion to “tune” to higher states.

 

**Evaluation:** Both highlight that the realms we seek “out there” may be accessed inwardly, through feeling, imagination, and surrender.

 

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### 🔍 7. **Meta Evaluation — Integrating the Views**

 

| Orientation | Key Idea | Potential Pitfall | Integrative View |

| -------------------------- | ------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------- |

| Nondual | All is One; no “other” realms | Can become dismissive of genuine experience | Recognize unity while exploring multiplicity as expression |

| Psychedelic / Experiential | Other realms accessible via altered states | Dependency, confusion | Use as glimpses, not crutches |

| Grounded / Mindfulness | Be here now | May seem “boring” to seekers | Deep stability and lasting peace |

| Exploratory / OBE | Conscious travel beyond body | Verification difficult | Treat as experiment, not belief |

| Mystical / Symbolic | Heaven within; imagination as key | Ego inflation or delusion | See all states as reflections of consciousness itself |

 

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### 🧩 **Conclusion**

 

Whether “other realms” are *real* or *imaginal*, the **inner experience** of them is undeniably part of the spectrum of consciousness.

But — as the wisest contributors implied — the *point* is not escaping this reality but understanding that all realms, experiences, and perceptions arise *within* the same infinite field: **you, awareness itself.**

 

Or, as one mystic put it:

 

> “Before enlightenment, explore other realms.

> After enlightenment, realize they were all you.”

 

 

Edited 19 hours ago by Dodo

[Adrian colby]

3 hours ago, Dodo said:

Oh yeah? I think thats a trap in spirituality. Wanting exotic experiences,  can begin with pure intention, but it can also lead to addiction to altering normal everyday real life consciousness. 

A big ego game, how about we are more interested in the here and now and being here fully and more aware, not some altered states. 

Yes it’s a trap in spirituality if you are trying to deconstruct reality to get a glimpse of the source. It’s a distraction on that side of god realisation or source recognition. 
 

however on the return journey it is a recognition of all states of consciousness and the infinite variety to be explored. It’s also a gateway to explore the godhead at subtle levels ( as Leo says, the level of intensity will never be anywhere near the energy of  a psychedelic bu t it’s still possible) it really depends on your own authentic purpose. 
 

it can become an addiction and take focus from here and now, but in order to do it you have to focus here and now in all states. It’s about disciplining the mind to focus in any appearance of an external reality including this one we are most familiar with. 

It’s just another facet of the mind to be explored and I don’t obsessively spend my time doing ‘spiritual or consciousness’ work. 
 

all I need is right here and there’s plenty to do and learn that offers the same lessons as higher states. 
 

being fluid enough and unattached enough to shift states is what I’d describe as a kind of liberation. 
 

when the universe becomes your oyster, it’s up to you to decide what takes your fancy. 

[Terell Kirby]

On 10/20/2025 at 4:09 PM, Franz_ said:

can you gain acces to another realm for improvement or something like that? another plane? whatever you wanna call it.

Full access is what’s happening now- you’re mind is Infinite so there are no limits to what can be accessed- yet you choose this-right here, right now

[gettoefl]

23 hours ago, Franz_ said:

@gettoefl i mean i just wanna try it and maybe a couple of times trying to reach those consciousness states or whatever when im bored,you cant even do things for fun? its a sin or what? think of it like a hobby perhaps,what is the problem with it?

No you are correct. There is no hurry. Stay and enjoy. Heaven nor God are inconvenienced. Do what resonates and have fun to the max.