Trying Out a 4-Substituted Tryptamine & More

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, are they too different from each other? Or are they more or less the same as long as you adjust the dosage?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, are they too different from each other? Or are they more or less the same as long as you adjust the dosage?

I don't remember the precise differences but they can very different. Just depends.

You can't treat then as the same just because the chemical letters are similar.

One letter can make a big difference.

Edited Thursday at 11:39 PM by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, if they are all mind-shattering in their own way, then I guess I must pick the one that is easily available and cost-effective per mg.

Have you tried the DiPT, DET, DPT or DALT versions of 4-HO and 4-AcO?

Edited Thursday at 11:59 PM by Nemra

[Girzo]

@Nemra You are way overthinking it. It's just synthetic shrooms if we are talking about 4-AcO/PrO-DMT and something slightly different but still basically synthetic shrooms when you choose 4-HO/AcO-MiPT.

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, if they are all mind-shattering in their own way, then I guess I must pick the one that is easily available and cost-effective per mg.

Have you tried the DiPT, DET, DPT or DALT versions of 4-HO and 4-AcO?

I have tried most of those. They tend to blur together in my memory so I can't give a clear difference between them, and it would be different for your brain anyway.

-MPT, -McPT, and -MIPT tend to be preferable to me.

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, the problem for me is their tolerance and cross-tolerance, so I have to do a 4-sub last and only once to not lessen the effects of the other psychedelics that I will be doing.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, the problem for me is their tolerance and cross-tolerance, so I have to do a 4-sub last and only once to not lessen the effects of the other psychedelics that I will be doing.

Yeah, that's why 5-MeO's are prefered.

[Nemra]

I guess I will order 4-HO/AcO-MiPT, which can mostly be considered synthetic mushroom chemicals, as @Girzo mentioned.

I know more or less about the effects of psilocybin. Lol.

Edited yesterday at 01:18 AM by Nemra

[Girzo]

@Nemra Superb choice. My best trip ever has been on 70 mg of 4-HO-MiPT, but that's a heroic dose. 35 mg is a good trip, 50-60 mg is dangerous bad trip territory, it's very strong, but might be not strong enough to fully dissolve the self, so you end up in pain. 70 mg was a full breakthrough, but I have never mustered the courage to try it again. 60 mg was not it, wasn't productive at all, better to go lower or higher.

40 mg 4-AcO-DMT is also good.

Beware, I am more on the side of people who prefer high doses, adjust the amounts to your own preferences.

[Nemra]

@Girzo, ok. Will do.

[emptiness dancing]

@Nemra    do you fly back home with your rc? do you get checked by customs?

[Nemra]

9 hours ago, emptiness dancing said:

do you fly back home with your rc? do you get checked by customs?

No, I haven't. I think it's too risky.

Edited yesterday at 01:06 PM by Nemra

[Schizophonia]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, that's why 5-MeO's are prefered.

No only 5 MeO DMT create a short tolerance because its tolerance is also short; 5 MeO Mipt creates a tolerance similar to all psychedelics with a similar half-life.
 

[Schizophonia]

All trips are different so it's basically impossible to associate a substance with a specific trip.
Aside from 5 MeO DMT, which has a truly unique pharmacology, and lysergamides, which are a bit longer and more stimulating.

[Ero]

@Nemra Please share trip reports once you have them. Safe travels 

[Nemra]

@Ero, my English is not very advanced to write it eloquently, but I will try to share it.

I'm thinking of testing the following:

• Salvia
• N,N-DPT
• Various 5-MeOs
• Some variant of LSD
• 4-HO-MiPT or 4-AcO-MiPT

1 hour ago, Ero said:

Safe travels 

Thanks.

[LambdaDelta]

@Nemra take caution with Salvia. DPT is incredible, perhaps the most alien there is; it's like an adult version of DMT, if the former is rainbows and sunshine, DPT is epilepsy warning glitch art. In the 5-MeOs apart from 5MD there's not much else, maybe MiPT if that works for you. No more MALT on the EU market, besides Canadian is better again. There's a magical 5MD HCl batch currently in circulation but only at one place, freebase is more or less the same across the board. If you can't get pure LSD-25, go for 1P-, and this should be the last chem you do. LSD tolerance is the longest and affects nearly everything, it's much more significant than 4-subs. The acetoxys get metabolized into hydroxy via hydrolysis, like 4-AcO-DMT to psilocin (4-HO-DMT). Hence 4-AcO-MET is rather unremarkable next to 4-HO-MET, same likely to follow with MiPT. Just get hydroxy and skip the middleman.

Have fun.

[Leo Gura]

All 5-MeO's have no tolerance.

[Nemra]

43 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

DPT is incredible, perhaps the most alien there is; it's like an adult version of DMT, if the former is rainbows and sunshine, DPT is epilepsy warning glitch art.

I don't know that yet, but, man, DMT is WILD. I assure you that it's not rainbows and sunshine. It's just short. Although, I don't have a problem smoking more to prolong the duration.

Which ROA is the safest and the most effective for DPT?

43 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

There's a magical 5MD HCl batch currently in circulation but only at one place, freebase is more or less the same across the board.

I think I know which vendor you are talking about.

43 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

If you can't get pure LSD-25, go for 1P-, and this should be the last chem you do. LSD tolerance is the longest and affects nearly everything, it's much more significant than 4-subs.

Ok.

43 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

The acetoxys get metabolized into hydroxy via hydrolysis, like 4-AcO-DMT to psilocin (4-HO-DMT). Hence 4-AcO-MET is rather unremarkable next to 4-HO-MET, same likely to follow with MiPT. Just get hydroxy and skip the middleman.

Then, 4-HO-MiPT it is. I guess, I'll order them as pellets.

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Have fun.

Thanks. Will do.

Edited 19 hours ago by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I don't know that yet, but, man, DMT is WILD. It's just too short. Although, I don't have a problem smoking more to prolong the duration.

Which ROA for DPT is the safest and the most effective?

I'm sure people get crazy experiences on DMT too. Wouldn't know, I'm immune to it, but overwhelmingly the reports point to a particular palette of consciousness. Same with DPT, it is by default quite conducive to things like insanity and reality violently tearing apart. A darker, more serious tone if you will. Ultimately it's all the same Love, but for certain twisted minds like mine it is more intuitive and logical to realize it from that angle. Well, everyone would benefit from such integration, if they dare. 

Intramuscular is by far and away the definitive route, provided you study up and have pure stuff. It's frowned upon, but that's the truth. Otherwise rectal I suppose, tends to work for most. 50mg would be somewhere around moderate. Smoking the salt is a waste, so is oral. Insufflation is painful and you need a good bit from what I hear.