Trying Out a 4-Substituted Tryptamine & More

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Intramuscular is by far and away the definitive route, provided you study up and have pure stuff.

I don't think it's the right time for that.

3 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Smoking the salt is a waste, so is oral.

Why are they a waste?

[Nemra]

22 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

I'm sure people get crazy experiences on DMT too. Wouldn't know, I'm immune to it, but overwhelmingly the reports point to a particular palette of consciousness. Same with DPT, it is by default quite conducive to things like insanity and reality violently tearing apart. A darker, more serious tone if you will. Ultimately it's all the same Love, but for certain twisted minds like mine it is more intuitive and logical to realize it from that angle. Well, everyone would benefit from such integration, if they dare. 

I don't know about others, but my perceptions start to get dynamic, loopy, hyper-dimensional, fluid, and melty.

Let's see what is DPT about.

Edited 18 hours ago by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

I don't think it's the right time for that.

Right, it's something you work up to. First rodeo with a substance ought to be more grounded. My intro to IM was DPT, to this day probably my most powerful trip in terms of sheer intensity, it was then I learned my usual nonchalant dosing ain't gonna fly there. Here there be monsters.

 

11 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Why are they a waste?

Just how it works. As is the case for most tryptamines, especially base (i.e. DMT, MET). You need something ridiculous like 200mg to get an effect. 4-subs are actually more of an outlier within the class with how they're orally active and salts can be passably vapeable. 

[Nemra]

@LambdaDelta, does DPT build tolerance?

Edited 18 hours ago by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@LambdaDelta, does DPT build tolerance?

None or very minimal. No cross-tolerance either, if only mental.

[Nemra]

4 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

No cross-tolerance either, if only mental.

Edited 18 hours ago by Nemra

[Nemra]

@LambdaDelta, if hotels in the Netherlands aren't mentioning that drugs aren't allowed, do they hold orders before I get there? Or should I ask each one of them to know if they would hold or not?

Edited 18 hours ago by Nemra

[LambdaDelta]

2 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@LambdaDelta, if hotels in the Netherlands aren't mentioning that drugs aren't allowed, do they hold orders before I get there? Or should I ask each one of them to know if they would hold or not?

Couldn't tell you. If they do, they have no right to open the package, therefore what's inside is irrelevant. I wouldn't trust a hotel to properly receive it nor for something to be delivered to their addresses. Better to arrange delivery to a DHL/DPD pickup point, most vendors will oblige if you talk to them and give necessary details.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

It's just short.

You should not be smoking DMT, you should be consuming it orally with Harmala extract.

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You should not be smoking DMT, you should be consuming it orally with Harmala extract.

Isn't it dangerous?

Smoking lasts 10-20 mins.

[LambdaDelta]

6 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Isn't it dangerous?

Smoking lasts 10-20 mins.

Not particularly, 5-MeOs are another matter. Though I have almost died from doing that combo (high doses but still). Most likely hypertensive crisis, to be on the safe side avoid foods high in tyramines for a few days in case you happen to be sensitive to that.

[Nemra]

18 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Not particularly, 5-MeOs are another matter. Though I have almost died from doing that combo (high doses but still).

I guess, them being more potent per mg makes it even more dangerous.

18 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Most likely hypertensive crisis, to be on the safe side avoid foods high in tyramines for a few days in case you happen to be sensitive to that.

Yeah, that's the part I don't want to do.

Smoking seems to be the best option, as of now.

I don't want to be overcautious of what I eat.

Maybe, a few times, I'll prepare for consuming with harmala extract.

Edited 17 hours ago by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Isn't it dangerous?

No

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, weren't you concerned about avoiding high tyramine foods?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, weren't you concerned about avoiding high tyramine foods?

No. It doesn't matter.

[LambdaDelta]

Even with harmala making the freebase orally active requires lots of substance. I believe fumarate needs less, either way more flexible options with it besides vaping. FASA method from Nexus is simple and yields well with DMT, unlike 5MD. 

Highly suggest trying at least one dissociative while you're at it. They're hardly even a thing in North America, EU is the golden opportunity, maybe not for much longer. There's lots and not all are any good, but ones that are give a qualitatively different experience either standalone or in amazing synergy with 4-subs.

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. It doesn't matter.

How do you know that? By firsthand experience?

[LambdaDelta]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No. It doesn't matter.

Sure does, it mattered for me. Won't for the majority, not everyone.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Nemra said:

How do you know that? By firsthand experience?

Of course.

But since people's health varies you can avoid those foods for a few days just to be safe.

Do not take harmala with 5-MeOs.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But since people's health varies you can avoid those foods for a few days just to be safe.

Yeah, I need to prepare for that, which will make me do them less frequently than smoking. If I eventually understand that the foods aren't affecting me, I guess I'll do that more frequently.

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not take harmala with 5-MeOs.

Sure.