Can We Just Call Them Our Equivalent Of The Nazis Already?

[DocWatts]

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‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat

NEW YORK — Leaders of Young Republican groups throughout the country worried what would happen if their Telegram chat ever got leaked, but they kept typing anyway.

They referred to Black people as monkeys and “the watermelon people” and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery.

William Hendrix, the Kansas Young Republicans’ vice chair, used the words “n--ga” and “n--guh,” variations of a racial slur, more than a dozen times in the chat. Bobby Walker, the vice chair of the New York State Young Republicans at the time, referred to rape as “epic.” Peter Giunta, who at the time was chair of the same organization, wrote in a message sent in June that “everyone that votes no is going to the gas chamber.”

Edited Wednesday at 02:42 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

'Republicans'

I still think 'nazis' is a small minority of Republicans.

Republicans are corrupt white nationalists.

Edited Wednesday at 02:10 PM by Elliott

[BlueOak]

The modern Republicans in America have demonstrated fascist tendencies many times, but have rarely strayed into Nazi ideology.

Supremacy is often a trait of fascists, but Nazis tend to prioritize racial superiority. So the differences would be better treatment of white people in a white supremacist society, but not out outright policy to, for example, ban black or brown people from voting.

We should also remark on the extreme's nazi's will go to, to achieve their aims. Whatever you think of fascism, it's a step further than that still.

Edited Wednesday at 02:41 PM by BlueOak

[DocWatts]

Obviously the comparison isn't literally 1:1, because 2025 America isn't 1933 Germany.

The larger and more important point is that we need to unapologetically be willing to call a spade a spade: if Nazism is what a homegrown fascist movement looked like in 1930s Germany, MAGA is what a modern-day fascist movement looks like in America.

Or put differently, not all modern Republicans are white Christian supremacists, in the same way that not everyone who voted for the Nazis had personal animosity against Jews. Yet both have proven that they're more than willing to go through the mental gymnastics to avoid taking accountability for their choices.

Edited Wednesday at 03:00 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

7 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Obviously the comparison isn't 1:1. 2025 America isn't 1933 Germany.

The larger and more important point is that we need to unapologetically be willing to call a spade a spade: if Nazism is what a homegrown fascist movement looked like in 1930s Germany, MAGA is what a modern-day fascist movement looks like in America.

Or put differently, not all modern Republicans are white Christian supremacists, in the same way that not everyone who voted for the Nazis had personal animosity against Jews. Yet both have proven that they're more than willing to go through the mental gymnastics to avoid taking accountability for their choices.

Absolutely, but don't call a spade a wolf, don't cry wolf. Nazi, means gas chambers typically, do you think we're headed that way? I don't. Republicans are bad, but don't overplay your cards and embellish what's going on or people will dismiss ALL of your concerns.

[DocWatts]

37 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Absolutely, but don't call a spade a wolf, don't cry wolf. Nazi, means gas chambers typically, do you think we're headed that way? I don't. Republicans are bad, but don't overplay your cards and embellish what's going on or people will dismiss ALL of your concerns.

What's routinely misunderstood is that the people who voted for the Nazis in 1932 didn't think they were voting for the Holocaust - it took another decade of dehumanization and consolidation of power to get to that point.

The Nazis in the early 1930s, while they were still consolidating power, is absolutely an apt comparison to make right now - from the complicity of non-fascist conservatives who were willing to go along with it out of political expediency, to a demagogue with a cult of personality failing at a violent insurrection only to enact an auto-coup after being elected into power.

Again, the comparisons aren't 1:1, but that's to be expected - history doesn't repeat, but it does instruct by providing case studies. 

Fact of the matter is that the tactics and rhetoric of Trump's regime closely parallels the tactics and rhetoric of the Nazis while they were consolidating power. We're not 1940s Germany - obviously - but none of what Trump and Stephen Miller are doing is new (these aren't smart of creative people) - they're working from a well-known playbook.

Stephen Miller and JD Vance have publicly praised a book called 'Unhumans', which praises fascist dictators like Franco and Pinochet who enacted campaigns of mass state violence against 'subhumans' (ie, liberals and the left).

Even if the end goal is a white Christian apartheid state rather than gas chambers, I'm not going to lose sleep by applying the comparison to a movement that 'only' wants a dictatorial ethno-state rather than a full blown genocide at this point.

Edited Wednesday at 03:38 PM by DocWatts

[Elliott]

37 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

 

Stephen Miller and JD Vance have publicly praised a book called 'Unhumans', which praises fascist dictators like Franco and Pinochet who enacted campaigns of mass state violence against 'subhumans' (ie, liberals and the left).

Do you think either of them read the book? I don't. These people are stupid.

Stephen Miller is a nazi.

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What people misunderstand about that the people who voted for the Nazis in 1932 didn't think they were voting for the Holocaust - it took another decade of dehumanization and consolidation of power to get to that point.

 

The Nazis in the early 1930s, while they were still consolidating power, is absolutely an apt comparison to make right now - from the complicity of non-fascist conservatives who were willing to go along with it out of political expediency, to the cult of personality, to a demagogue failing at a violent insurrection only to enact an auto-coup after being elected into power.

 

Again, the comparisons aren't 1:1, but that's to be expected - history doesn't repeat, but it instruct by providing case studies. 

 

Fact of the matter is that the tactics and rhetoric of Trump's regime closely parallels the tactics and rhetoric of the Nazis while they were consolidating power. We're not 1940s Germany - obviously - but none of what Trump and Stephen Miller are doing is new - they're working from a well-known playbook.

Absolutely. The problem is, take the common person, the audience of your "Nazi" claims, what do they mean by nazi, gas chambers in my opinion. Republicans are fascists, corrupt, oligarchs, anti-constitution, anti-freedom, anti-elections, liars, violent,.... Republican.

Edited Wednesday at 03:53 PM by Elliott

[DocWatts]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Absolutely. The problem is, take the common person, the audience of your "Nazi" claims, what do they mean by nazi, gas chambers in my opinion. Republicans are fascists, corrupt, oligarchs, anti-constitution, anti-freedom, anti-elections, liars, violent,.... Republican.

That's a very fair point, which is why I've also gone to great lengths to educate folks on this topic - the typical American has a very shallow understanding of this period ('it can't happen here'), thanks to generations of educational neglect and willful disinformation.

[Talinn]

"Yoooooooooooo" is fairly innocuous to be fair.

But yeah they're all Nazis. Just with some less testicle mass. 

[Talinn]

2 hours ago, Elliott said:

Absolutely, but don't call a spade a wolf, don't cry wolf. Nazi, means gas chambers typically, do you think we're headed that way? I don't. Republicans are bad, but don't overplay your cards and embellish what's going on or people will dismiss ALL of your concerns.

I do not think I am being irrational for being fearful of being placed in a concentration camp after a series of crises in America compels them to start rounding up the scapegoats. Mainly climate related problems.

I'm less worried about it than other trans, but I do think it's plausible.

Edited Wednesday at 05:15 PM by Talinn

[Elliott]

6 minutes ago, Talinn said:

I do not think I am being irrational for being fearful of being placed in a concentration camp after a series of crises in America compels them to start rounding up the scapegoats. Mainly climate related problems.

I'm less worried about it than other trans, but I do think it's plausible.

Because of the ICE roundups?

I disagree

[Talinn]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Because of the ICE roundups?

I disagree

It's not likely in the near future, I think. More of a worst case scenario for the long term future. 

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Talinn said:

It's not likely in the near future, I think. More of a worst case scenario for the long term future. 

Ya, but what leads you to believe this, the 'nazi' ICE raids?

[Talinn]

Lots of people crossdressed into wearing their stupid hats. 

Then it turned out to be a good fit for them. 

They were smarter as children, then they transitioned to dumb dumb land.

Edited Wednesday at 06:40 PM by Talinn

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, DocWatts said:

The larger and more important point is that we need to unapologetically be willing to call a spade a spade: if Nazism is what a homegrown fascist movement looked like in 1930s Germany, MAGA is what a modern-day fascist movement looks like in America.

Yes. People really struggle with calling a spade a spade when it comes to the rise of American Fascism.

[Apparition of Jack]

6 hours ago, Elliott said:

'Republicans'

I still think 'nazis' is a small minority of Republicans.

Republicans are corrupt white nationalists.

Tomayto-tomahto 🍅  

[Leo Gura]

That's how unhealthy Stage Blue behaves.

They are just Blue survival zombies.

That's what a Nazi is.

It is not that they are Nazis, they are Blue, and Nazis happen to be Blue.

Edited 21 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LoneWonderer]

I shared this article with a family member. thanks for the share and shocking to see.

[Scholar]

This is what happens when you create a progressive culture that attempts to force moral progress through tactics grounded in fear and shaming. 

The reason why things like cancel culture have been so profoundly destructive is because it teaches individuals to fall in line for self-preservation. If you do not act according to the rules of the progressives, you will be socially ostracized. I don't know if people still remember how insane things have been 8 years ago, but progressives were completely intolerable lunatics who were constantly getting together to socially shame people for the mildest things imaginable.

The problem with this is that even if you get people to behave well, it is not going to be grounded in anything resembling ethical progress. Instead of having focused on making people more empathetic so that they see why doing some of these things is wrong, you focused on making them scared to say whatever you don't want them to say. Moral behavior becomes a function of a contracted ego that seeks self-preservation (avoidance of shame, for example), meaning people become more and more selfish instead of more and more empathetic.

Once you remove the stimulus of shame or it simply loses it's power because people realize that everyone around them is fed up with the tyranny of the progressives, all of the moral progress you have will be erased immediately. People never cared about minorities, they only cared about not being called a racist.

 

And this is what killed the progressive movement and what caused this absurd backlash, put on steroid through social media.

And people still have not learned. Both sides are now even more immature than they have been a decade ago.

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This is what happens when you create a progressive culture that attempts to force moral progress through tactics grounded in fear and shaming. 

The reason why things like cancel culture have been so profoundly destructive is because it teaches individuals to fall in line for self-preservation. If you do not act according to the rules of the progressives, you will be socially ostracized. I don't know if people still remember how insane things have been 8 years ago, but progressives were completely intolerable lunatics who were constantly getting together to socially shame people for the mildest things imaginable.

The problem with this is that even if you get people to behave well, it is not going to be grounded in anything resembling ethical progress. Instead of having focused on making people more empathetic so that they see why doing some of these things is wrong, you focused on making them scared to say whatever you don't want them to say. Moral behavior becomes a function of a contracted ego that seeks self-preservation (avoidance of shame, for example), meaning people become more and more selfish instead of more and more empathetic.

Once you remove the stimulus of shame or it simply loses it's power because people realize that everyone around them is fed up with the tyranny of the progressives, all of the moral progress you have will be erased immediately. People never cared about minorities, they only cared about not being called a racist.

 

And this is what killed the progressive movement and what caused this absurd backlash, put on steroid through social media.

And people still have not learned. Both sides are now even more immature than they have been a decade ago.

Can you give an example of the cancel-culture you're referring to?